Morning all! With Mr. Market now on a 6-week skid, the continued economic recovery teetering, and geopolitical stability looking less certain by the day (no, hour), these are certainly interesting times. While pondering what, outside of the prospects of more Fed QE or quasi-QE, could possibly goose the markets much higher beyond the previous top at least in the short term, I came across this article by Robert Shiller that, for me, sums up why it's going to be a long slog for the recovery (and likely now the markets) over the next few years. It also highlights just how irrational human beings can be, despite economists' claims that we are "rational actors", and thereby markets are "efficient".
The Sickness Beneath the Slump
For me, these were the key excerpts:
Professor Case and I have conducted annual spring surveys of home-buyer attitudes for many years. We ask about long-term expectations: “On average over the next 10 years how much do you expect the value of your property to change each year?”
The survey we conducted in spring 2005, near the end of the bubble, included 407 home buyers. In it, the median expectation for home price appreciation over the next decade — until 2015 — was 7 percent a year. That is substantially less than the 10 percent a year that Americans had recently experienced.
But expected increases of 7 percent a year still implied another doubling of home prices by 2015. And about a quarter of our respondents in 2005 anticipated increases of at least 15 percent a year for the next decade. Something was very wrong with this picture, but few noticed it.
As it turned out, of course, those expected increases didn’t happen. Instead, home prices tumbled 34 percent nationally from the peak in the first quarter of 2006 to the first quarter of 2011 — or 40 percent in real terms — and they still appear to be falling. The brief “recovery” in home prices of 2009 and 2010 was most likely spurred by federal housing stimulus measures like the home buyer tax credit. After that stimulus ended, prices resumed their downward trend.
This is why in my mind this recovery will end up being shorter and more shallow than the prior two, despite all of the Fed's best attempts at monetary stimulus. New household formation, more than anything, is a big driver of the economy, so with housing in the tank, it's hard to see how this recovery can keep feeding itself for very much longer before we see another dip, and possibly a significant one.
This article makes me wonder if this time we've merely swapped out, yet again, once bubble for another, namely housing for equities and commodities. In the '90s we had an equity bubble of epic proportions, followed by a crash, shallow recession, followed by a shallow recovery, then followed by the biggest credit and housing bubble of all time, and subsequent crash, deep recession, and even more shallow recovery. Back and forth we go, yo-yo between asset bubbles, while the real economic "recoveries" get weaker and weaker (with the top getting richer and richer). Go read the whole article this morning. Housing remains the elephant in the room with regards to the viability of the economic recovery. Eventually the markets will reflect that reality as well.
Hello friends. Hope everyone is having a good Manny monday so far, so to speak:D.
ReplyDeleteSry can't be around these days, therefore hard to follow/dig through threads' and associated comments.
Hope everyone is doing fine.
Have fun, and trade safe !;)
Wolfie,
ReplyDeleteIt's summer! Thanks for checking in. Plus your real life and job are more important to tend to than us! We are just a diversion!
Financialpost.com
ReplyDelete"Nickle plunges in biggest glut in 4 years".
"RBC touts lower rates to combat lending slump".
Royal bank of Canada, the country's largest lender is starting an aggressive nation wide marketing campaign touting lower home equity loan rates than most rival...to combat slowdown in Cdn consumer lending".
Subprime anyone?
ICan
Somehow I missed this last week, but Taibbi savages Sorkin and Goldman AGAIN. Some really good stuff here.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/the-big-short-and-goldmans-new-story-20110609
Manny,
ReplyDeleteThis was discussed at TBP last week and it was hands down Taibbi against Sorkin.
For those who hadn't seen it, it is worth a look.
By the way, been out golfing a few weekends in a row now and the courses are hurting here BIG TIME, and not just from the weather either. There are simply way too many golf courses here in MN now, which is great for us, because fantastic deals can be had everywhere now, but I honestly can't see how many of them can stay in business for too long. A couple of Saturdays ago, we literally had the course to ourselves with maybe only a few other groups on the whole course. Many of them have to be levered up too, so I'm sure the banks are taking a hit on that front as well (although that doesn't matter anymore because banks can apparently lie about their true financial condition, especially the TBTF's).
ReplyDeleteMorning all!
ReplyDeleteThor - I every time I see your avitar picture I think of that Life Cereal Commercial, where they try two kids try and get a younger kid to eat Life Cereal.
ReplyDeleteThe young kid starts eating it and the other kids say "Hey Mikey, he likes it"
Anyway, I am guessing the picture is actually you though and not a plug for Life Cereal.
Mangy Mutt
Mutt - hah, yes, that was me when I was two :-) That picture was taken around the time the commercial came out I think though, does that count?
ReplyDeleteIt seems that even Mo-Mo Mondays have gone the way of the Do-Do bird too?
ReplyDeleteManny - it's fascinating how quickly and suddenly we went from up all the time no matter what, to down all the time no matter what. Is anyone keeping track of how far down we've corrected this time around? I'm not so good with simple math . . . percentages, fractions, those sorts of things . . . :-p
ReplyDeleteLot of Chinese data coming out overnight.
ReplyDeleteRoubini - more printing coming out at the end of the year - CNBC.
ICan
@Thor: The "get in before everyone else and out before everyone else" Ponzi markets roll onward.
ReplyDeleteMannwich - Looks like this Monday Morning Rally is set to Fizzle.
ReplyDeleteMutt
The O-man romancing our Wall Street captors again. In reality, he never really stopped with those previous "efforts" at curbing Wall Street being merely Potemkin theater for the masses. Anyone who thinks that any meaningful reform on Wall Street is coming any time soon is not thinking clearly.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/us/politics/13donor.html
Thor - You were a cute little kid - What happened to you
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Mutt
Mutt - Life? ;-)
ReplyDeleteI think Roubini probably has it right, what kind of QE though? You know if they were smart, they'd do more QE in the form of INFRASTRUCTURE repair and build-out. They could start with the hundred or so pot-holes I have to navigate on my way to and from work every day.
DIG getting smacked today.
ReplyDelete@Thor: They could spend a ton of time and manpower fixing our embarrasingly bad roads here in MN where the weather extremes take a toll. But we'd rather give away free money to multi-millionaires so they can build new stadiums. How are we not Rome redux again?
Our culture and society are in the slow process of being atomized where there's very little collective purposea anymore. We are "competing" ourselves into oblivion. Sometimes a functioning society relies on COOPERATION, in addition to competition. I think we forget about that though.
This market cannot catch a break!
ReplyDeleteAlso, wonder who this might be? Our friends in China? I wonder if the Chinese have really thought about what it might be like for them if the governments in North America and the EU start fighting back. Most of the best hackers in the world have been gobbled up into very high paying government IT Security jobs, those not a group of professionals China is going to want Western Governments to unleash.
Government 'may have hacked IMF'
Security experts say the hacking of the International Monetary Fund bears the hallmarks of a national attack.
When Bernankie first started talking about QE I thought the majority of money was going to go for things like infastructure and improving our system of commerce.
ReplyDeleteWhat a laugh.
Mutt
Another brilliant article from NC
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/06/michael-hudson-the-financial-road-to-serfdom-%E2%80%93-how-bankers-are-using-the-debt-crisis-to-roll-back-the-progressive-era.html
How bankers are using the debt crisis to roll back the progressive era
I think what we need is a new Progressive Party. One that isn't simply the most liberal wing of the Democratic party the way the Tea Party is the the most conservative branch of the Republican Party.
and the money quotes . . .
ReplyDeleteooops
ReplyDeleteBut first they need to understand what is happening. From the bankers’ perspective, the economic surplus is what they themselves end up with. Rising consumption standards and even public investment in infrastructure are seen as deadweight. Bankers and bondholders aim to increase the surplus not so much by tangible capital investment increasing the overall surplus, but by more predatory means, headed by rolling back labor’s gains and stiffening working conditions while gaining public subsidy. Banks “create wealth” by providing more credit (that is, debt leverage) to bid up asset prices for real estate and enterprises already in place – assets that either are being foreclosed on or sold off under debt pressure by private owners or governments. One commentator recently characterized the latter strategy of privatization as “tantamount to selling the family silver only to have to rent it back in order to eat dinner.”
Fought in the name of free markets, this counter-revolution rejects the classical ideal of markets free of unearned income paid to special interests. The financial objective is to squeeze out a surplus by maximizing the margin of prices over costs. Opposing government enterprise and infrastructure as the road to serfdom, high finance is seeking to turn public infrastructure into rent-extracting tollbooths to extract economic rent (the “free lunch economy”), while replacing labor unions with non-union labor so as to work it more intensively.
This new road to neoserfdom is an asset grab. But to achieve it, the financial sector needs a political grab to replace democracy with financial technocrats. Their job is to pretend that there is no revolution at all, merely an increase in “efficiency,” “creating wealth” by debt-leveraging the economy to the point where the entire surplus is paid out as interest to the financial managers who are emerging as Western civilization’s new central planners.
Thor has on that same cute striped shirt that every kid in America wore. And I believe it was in the Life cereal commercial, too. I dressed my son in them, but he had corduroy overalls, too.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I think many of these authors and economists I think seem to miss, at least I haven't seen much talk of it yet, is that yes, countries are basically being forced to sell off the family China only to be forced to rent to eat off it at a later date, the states can, and I'll bet you a nickel they eventually will simply re-nationalize those assets if they ever feel the need or desire to do so at a future date.
ReplyDeleteDenise - I used to have those very same corduroy overalls! I had a pair when I was about 4 with Foghorn Leghorn on them - I wore those things until my mother had to cut them up into shorts :-)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc&feature=related
ReplyDeleteLife cereal and Fisher Price Toys.
Thor - I wore ToughSkins from Sears they were a heavy denim with re-inforced knees and came in every color except blue.
ReplyDeleteAnd who could ever forget corduroy, I think all the boys wore it at one point - Kind of remember of couple of the girls maybe wearing cordory too.
You would always heard the swoosh swoosh swooth of the cordoroy as you walked.
Bring back the 70's OHHHH YEAAAAA!!!!
Mangy Mutt
Real boys wore Winny the Pooh.
ReplyDeleteActually my mother use to dress my brother and I just alike, he was one year older had dark hair and dark eyes and people would always ask if we were twins.
Mutt
Mutt,
ReplyDeleteWe preferred our corduroy overalls without those fancy status symbol labels.
Denise - I do not remember when Corduroy went out of style, (probably at the same time as bell buttoms) but it sure is hard to miss that stuff.
ReplyDeleteEspeially on a hot summer day.
Mutt
I bet you could still get them at Sears.
ReplyDeleteHahaha!
ReplyDeleteI just googled Sears corduroy overalls and they have them on Ebay - labeled "vintage".
Thor,
ReplyDeleteThat NC article is devastating. And many people would consider it "class warfare" and unseemly to point out that all of this is deliberate and intentional.
Denise - have always thought that "class warfare" BS the Plutocrats keep trucking out was such a joke. We've had class warfare in this country since Reagan, the only difference is that now we're calling it for what it is.
ReplyDeleteGreat posts on class war and market direction from Cam Hui at - humblestudentofthemarkets.blogspot.com
ReplyDelete"Poised for a 'transitory' rally"'
and
"The Fed's(inadvertent) role in the class war".
ICan
Manny,
ReplyDeleteGreat post. (Finally was able to read the whole thing)
Housing is key, but without employment improving, housing doesn't improve. Even with immigration (which is what they are seeing in parts of Canada) we might not catch up for decades.
It is a long, slow slog to equilibrium, where demand and supply for employees and housing meet. Who knows when that will be?
ICan - you always send the best links! Great articles!
ReplyDeleteSo anxious to see which way Greece is going to break. I think Greece is going to play a large roll in where we go from here. Do they cave to the bankers wishes? Or do they give them the finger and set the whole house on fire from Greece, to Ireland, to Portugal. . .
ReplyDeleteFor the first time a long time, the market is up at night. Let's see if it can continue to rally tonight.
ReplyDeleteAlso something to note - XLF did not make a new low today with the S&P.
ReplyDeleteBKX, KRE, KBE, IAI also did not make a new low today.
ReplyDeleteGS, BAC, C, all had better RS than previously. Of course, these had fallen the most, too.
ReplyDeleteSometimes these small changes of character can point to a change in market direction.