Picking up on the China theme from yesterday, I thought I would share this story with the group. I thought it was very informative as I have not seen this reported on in the MSM too much yet, but have often wondered how long China was going to build new things as a way to prop up their economy.
Is China investing way too much in its infrastructure?
China's economy is overheating now, but, over time, its current overinvestment will prove deflationary both domestically and globally. Once increasing fixed investment becomes impossible—most likely after 2013—China is poised for a sharp slowdown. Instead of focusing on securing a soft landing today, Chinese policymakers should be worrying about the brick wall that economic growth may hit in the second half of the quinquennium.
China has grown for the last few decades on the back of export-led industrialization and a weak currency, which have resulted in high corporate and household savings rates and reliance on net exports and fixed investment (infrastructure, real estate, and industrial capacity for import-competing and export sectors). When net exports collapsed in 2008-09 from 11 percent of GDP to 5 percent, China's leader reacted by further increasing the fixed-investment share of GDP from 42 percent to 47 percent.
The problem, of course, is that no country can be productive enough to reinvest 50 percent of GDP in new capital stock without eventually facing immense overcapacity and a staggering nonperforming loan problem. China is rife with overinvestment in physical capital, infrastructure, and property. To a visitor, this is evident in sleek but empty airports and bullet trains (which will reduce the need for the 45 planned airports), highways to nowhere, thousands of colossal new central and provincial government buildings, ghost towns, and brand-new aluminum smelters kept closed to prevent global prices from plunging.
@Thor:
ReplyDeleteI think the IMF has a pretty good set of information and some answers at
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2010/06/yueh.htm
Basically, China has to build things as a way to create jobs until the Chinese government convinces the people and both private and state-owned corporations to become a consumption-based economy rather than a savings and export based economy.
Like the situation in the US, the changes necessary will give great pain to the rich.
"China’s continued growth will depend on the success of the massive fiscal stimulus, focused largely on infrastructure. But the social part of the stimulus, representing less than 5 percent of the package, was judged insufficient to stimulate private consumption".
The IMF says they might try increased taxes on savings and retained earnings.
Isn't it so wierd that they are on the opposite side of the globe, and their problems are so opposite to the US?
Rock - yes,I've often thought that!
ReplyDelete@Rock,
ReplyDeleteYour(12:48AM) from yesterday's thread.
"Getting a foothold in foreign counry's financial system such that the power and control can be transferred..".
In India, at least, that's not going to happen! Foreigners can only buy a small portion - not even minority - like 10% stakes in industries considered important.
Whether foreign govt. officials can be bought - forsure. Two of them caught in India taking hugh bribes. BILLIIONS! One Commonwealth games head - taking billions in bribes from a Swiss company and another a young woman(whose father is Premier of a Southern State) - She is involved in 2G scam. Oh the Swiss are so nice. Hide looter's money(tax haven) and don't hesitate to bribe corrupt officials in other countries. IBM, too was caught several months ago.
ICan
U$D - GDF!
ReplyDeleteDXY going to break 73?
ICan
@Rock,
ReplyDeletefuther to your 12:48.
My father has an opposite opinion. He thinks all that foreign funds following into Ems - most of that money will never will be repatriated. Know PIIGS!
ICan
Good one, Thor. China over-investing in infrastructure, while we in the U.S. vastly under-invest in it. Good times.
ReplyDelete@Rock: Without the requisite social safety nets and decent salaries for enough of the people of China to form a strong middle class that will spend and consume more, I don't see that happening any time soon. Do you?
ReplyDelete@ICan:
ReplyDeleteYour 10:18, wow! Billions! Man!
A few months ago, there was this Austrailian caught for bribing somebody in China. The trial went behind closed doors, the Aussies were pissed, and the 2 guys were found guilty and put in a Chinese jail.
A Chinese jail is not a little piece of heaven.
But I think the way the bribes go will be: "I'll invest 11 billion in your company if you'll take some suggestions from me. When you stop taking my suggestions, I'll move my 11 billion to your competitor." A direct bribe is unnecessary. It's just an investment.
Which is why China is trying to stop hot money from coming in.
RE your 10:24. I never anticipated any money would be repatriated, but without a doubt, investments that are not successful will be moved. And I showed you how it can be easily moved inside a company, legally. So if I've invested some of my profits in India, and they are not performing, I'll simply sell the investment, buy 25$ chip resistors from my subsidary in Indonesia, and move the money there.
Legal. Tax-free.
GDP at 1.8% - WTE, is that bullish too? More QE or quasi-QE?
ReplyDeleteOf course it's Bullish! Rally-ho!
ReplyDeleteWith Bennny and his magic Put, everything is bullish, it seems.
ReplyDeleteXOM reported the biggest profit in 8 years. (hey, Thor, did we call that or what?)
ReplyDeleteTheir stock is down 1/2%.
X reported the 9th straight quarter loss, and they're up 3/4%.
go figure.
Wal Mart customers "running out of money?" Bombast? Agenda? Some truth there?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.zerohedge.com/article/wal-mart-ceo-shoppers-are-running-out-money-there-no-sign-recovery
Rock - we sure did. All of that makes sense in the land of upside down, where people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people, and companies reporting losses go up and companies reporting profits go down.
ReplyDeleteThere's a quarter in it for anyone who can catch that reference ;-)
Cramer wants his minions to buy Gold.
ReplyDeleteCramer, Mish, and Beck - all are gold bugs aren't they?
ReplyDeleteHave we breached my top yet, folks?
ReplyDeleteSchiff. ZH. The more people who pile in makes me think more and more this is a bubble that will burst as well.
ReplyDeleteIt looks we have indeed breached my top but haven't blown through it, by any means.
ReplyDeleteRising gas prices appear to have taken a break here lately - lowest price on my way in to work this morning was 4.22
ReplyDelete@Jeff,
ReplyDeleteRe PM bubble.
Every evening when I read Indian newspapers - the biz sections, one story is how PMs are up. Something, like,"Silver up Rs.xxxx, blah blah". I immediately think this is going up tomorrow. Indians/Chinese/Arabs -people of Asia love Pms. With silver lower middle class people can pile in too. How long this is go on? I don't know. We talked about this in December 2010.
ICan
Good piece from PC this morning
ReplyDeleteMACRO THOUGHTS FROM A RAIL INDUSTRY INSIDER
Oscar Munoz: We continue to see positive economic trends in an expanding economy, supporting profitable growth across all major markets that we serve. Looking ahead, both discussions with our customers and review of key leading indicators suggest healthy economic growth will continue throughout 2011 and beyond.
Tug-o-war betweem risk-on, risk-off.
ReplyDeleteUBS thinks silver will come down to U$D34 within next 12 months.
www.financialpost.com
ICan
This is fantastic.
ReplyDelete"Why would I watch the wedding? I couldn't take any of that seriously," he said in an interview with BBC Radio 4. "I don't think the so-called Royal family speak for England now, and I don't think England needs them.
"I do seriously believe that they are benefit scroungers, nothing else," he continued. "I don't believe they serve any purpose whatsoever. I'm not an anarchist, but I believe that people don't want the Royal family -- the so-called Royal family. They're not royal to me, but they're royal to the media for some reason."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/morrissey-blasts-royal-wedding-family_n_854837.html
The tick up in jobless claims is interesting, no?
ReplyDelete@Jeff(1:06)
ReplyDeleteGreat tourist attraction and good for business - GDP uppers.
I read somewhere that the Queen asked for higher allowanc(?) to heat her palace? Due to higher heating costs in winter.
I don't care what England does with their royals, but if they are freeloader, atleast behave properly. Andrew is the worst of all. His former wife, Sarah was asking for bribes - to provide an "access" to him. He is some sort of British goodwill ambASSador.
Macro Man has a good post on football and royal wedding.
ICan
@I Can: I hear you but surely the UK and London can do more to attract tourists than promote this fake, pretend rubbish? Or maybe, in these days of extend and PRETEND, this IS the best they, and we, all can do? If so, quite sad if you ask me.
ReplyDelete@Jeff,
ReplyDeleteWhat I don't understand: Why unemployeed people want to move to Canada? Weather?
"Alberta employment minister warns of 'Perfect Storm".
"The Province will have 77000 more jobs than people because boomers will retire out of workforce".
Even in India, in my ancestral state, mostly agriculture, harder to find labor to help with wheat harvest. More and more agri. is machinised. Labor is becoming very expensive.
ICan
^Don't want to move to Canada.
ReplyDeleteLink to above story:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2011/04/28/calgary-retirement-alberta-workforce.html
Weather probably a factor, I Can, but what about work eligibility/Visa requirements? I think many Americans would move to Canada in a heartbeat if it were easy to get a work visa.
ReplyDeleteSo many people predicting nasty inflation makes me think something else is going to happen.
ReplyDeleteManny - same here. My position is that prices will rise, and then fall back down once the economy slows.
ReplyDelete@Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI don't think visa is a prob. for U.S. citizens. Skilled workers will have no problem. Actually Canada and Australia are two most aggressive "recruiters in India.
Alberta and each province has unique immigration policies. Alberta has several different categories of immigrants:
Skillied,
Unskilled,
family,
business,
Money(show some $ and get accepted). Lot of rich Chinese and Indian or Arabs come under this cat.
ICan
Something funny going on at the Globe and Mail today. The most leftist party in Cad. election is fast catching up with the Cons. and the Globe endoresed Cons. today. Elections on May 2nd. even the Loonie took a slight hit on NDP surge.
ReplyDeleteOver 2700 comments to that Globe editoria. Mostly negative. Some of the comments got thumbs up in hundreds!.
So the Globe took notice and now they are doing mid-day open thread/session to explain their choice. Commenters arn't buying it.
Orange revolution in Canada? We'll see on May 2. I going to vote Center.
ICan
A little late to the party today.
ReplyDeleteI just received my return receipt card from the Illinois Department of Revenue, addressed to Springfield, Illinois and guess who took delivery according to their stamp?
J.P. Morgan. Do they have their fingers in that pie, too?
ICan,
ReplyDeleteEveryone is tired of the con that the Con's keep delivering.
Thor and Rock,
ReplyDeleteNothing nefarious or bizarro world about a stock going up on bad earnings. It usually means people are covering their shorts on the bad news.
Thor,
ReplyDeleteMy biggest take from that rail article is that as long as the dollar remains week, our coal (and anything else that we actually still produce) is going to be even more attractive to the world.
It is the world demand that is driving some of our economy these days, taking the place of smaller domestic demand.
Manny,
ReplyDeleteWhat better diversion and tourist getter than a once in thirty year wedding. Don't forget the austerity programs in England that are cutting huge numbers of public employees.
I am not planning on watching the wedding because the important scenes will be played over and over and over whether I want to see them or not. Plus I am sure that Jon Stewart will have all the coverage that I need.
Thor,
ReplyDeleteLast night's Daily Show was a real keeper. Too funny. Bernie was never better.
Consolidating of gains continues.
ReplyDelete@ICan:
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about shorting REDF now? Looks like the chart's about to flip us the bird.
@Rock(3:06)
ReplyDeleteDon't know anything about that Indian internt co.
ICan
Denise - yes I loved it!
ReplyDeleteAha! Re your exports comment. Do you know if that's what's driving our exports lately? Commodities rather than manufactured goods?
AAII bullish sentiment at 37.90
ReplyDeletewww.bespokeinvest.com
Institutions aren't aggresively accumulating - Cobra,
ICan
I don't know anything except what the CSX CEO was talking about. I imagine that the stats are somewhere but I don't know. Let me see if I can quickly find anything.
ReplyDeleteAccording to this our biggest exports by in millions of dollars are:
ReplyDeletePetroleum Products - Other 4020
Semiconductors 3929
Industrial Machines 3664
Pharma 3419
Coal 397
Copper 709
Foods (all combined) 10548
Here's the link:
ReplyDeleteExports of Goods by End-Use Category and Commodity
Denise - ah, so a combination of the two. Thank you!
ReplyDelete@Jeff,
ReplyDeleteCongrats on Silver. I'll be reading about it tonight in Indian newspapers. Latest bubble. I wonder where/what's the next bubble?.
ICan
TLT holding strong. Up nicely.
ReplyDelete@Denise,
ReplyDeleteWOW Food #s. Atleast someone loves BB!
ICan
Thanks I Can. Rock has it as well, I believe. Have also been in GLD for a while now. Just a small holding though.
ReplyDelete@Rock,
ReplyDeleteI am looking a SU. Finviz.com. Triangle. Which way it'll go?
ICan
RIMM, a cautionary tale for other tech companies, and, yes, that includes Apple:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.zerohedge.com/article/rimm-halts-stock-cuts-guidance-cites-shortfall-blackberry-sales-hockeysticks-q3q4-estimates
And let's have a moment of respect for those who lost their lives in the storms last night. So tragic.
ReplyDeleteSheesh. Puts things into perspective.
Denise - Amen to that.
ReplyDeleteAmen Denise. Pretty shocking stuff.
ReplyDelete@Manny, another cautionary tale :>)
ReplyDeletehttp://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/04/28/jobs-net-is-bigger-than-ballmers/
greg,
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, it was the collapse in MSFT's net income rather than any increase to AAPL's quarterly. yoy, AAPL's net income doubled. Pretty impressive.
@dss, and yet the stock trades like a railroad.
ReplyDeleteJust a tiny bit better than CSX, but Jeez Louise!
ReplyDeleteFrom the bottom in 09
CSX up 273%
AAPL up 317%