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Monday, February 28, 2011

Inside a paper bag

Paper bag jokes aside from my post the past week, I got the conviction that this is possible.
The price action worked like I imagined it from start to finish. And is the first time that happens observing a countertrend move.

Maybe for the reader it was just a small correction and I'm being silly, but to me is huge, because talking to myself I can explain it with logic and without blank spaces.

Another salient point is that countertrend moves are the main cause of the unpredictability of equity prices in my view.

The long trend assuming that is "set" for a while is more like the inertia in a moving object, the challenge is to determine what kind of roadblocks the countertrend is going to present against the primary move, in order to be able to (at least) guess if or when this small opposite forces can coalesce gathering strengh enough to change the primary trend or just remain bland and not presenting too much of a challenge to the primary trend.

That's why I'm always obssesing with the "correction" through all this time.The primary move like I mentioned back in September keeps going until something stops it.

So becoming more confident despite advancing too slowly for my tastes.And besides mindful that the observer has to be included in the equation too.

One example is the companies that couple month ago I mentioned what they were going to do (next week I'm going to focus on that) and out of the twenty something that I talk about I only have in my mind XOM and MEE for the simple reason that they impacted me when I saw them.

XOM last time I checked was making an impressive or at least solid movement.
MEE because was the worst to me, looked like it was going to die.
Yes it did (got acquired) but it jumped before being acquired.

So the price action was wrong but the driver in the forecasted move was that it was going to get destroyed something like ABK or EK.

Astrologically speaking I don't have good or bad deaths I have to translate when means bankrupt or acquired.

Still need an connecting step between the astrological "alignments" what happen to the company and the result in the price. Because a company can die so to speak but with two different results price wise:

Could get acquired at a premiunm of it's market price or go bankrupt (or a 95% drop in revenue like EK).EK thought that it was going to be bought but it just simply die (drop), so more work needs to be done with the direction of bad ones when the main trend is opposite.

But these two companies XOM and MEE impacted me as when I start studying them inmediately.
The one going with the trend appeared clear.
The one going countertrend still need to find that middle step who tells which one die bankrupt or badly sodomized and which one dies because it got acquired at a higher price.

I'm going to check all those stocks for the next week post.And see if the observer gor impacted with the most extreme or it was just random observations that caught my eye with XOM and MEE.


Regarding the equity market I'm not too sure what could happen by the end of the week could be a double fake first up then down and moving up afterwards or a movement more constant to the upside withouth the double fake because the two forces neutralizes each other.I don't know.

The only thing that will bring my paper bag back is a strong movement Wed-Thurs and particularly Friday because in that case is going to make a top by Monday in my view, not The Top so to speak but a top that could delay or avert the up movement several weeks.Something like the trend gets "choked" and then drop.

If there's not too much acceleration the first days my guess is that continues up.Will see.
Dan

109 comments:

  1. @Dastro

    I don't exactly understand your comment about MEE going countertrend, because based on my price charts, it was doing better (going up faster than) the S&P, based on percentages, since November. Actually, XOM was going up more slowly than MEE through December at least, and not even keeping up with the S&P. Unless you add in the dividend.

    So if you could help me understand "countertrend", I would appreciate it.

    When I think "countertrend", I think JRCC (or KOLs in general) since around Jan 12th. S&P going up, JRCC going down.

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  2. That's what I didn't get right about MEE, it was going to die but instead going down went up.
    Even though the "die" part I read correctly the company didn't go countertrend before getting acquired.

    So I can read astrologically what happen but the price action was opposite to what I assume, instead of countertrend it did follow the trend.

    I need to do a better job next time.
    Dan

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  3. @dss, Thor

    I'd like to continue the comment thread from yesterday, specifically about the market internals.

    On http://stockcharts.com home page, I see the % up and %down for NYSE and NASDAQ. I am having some trouble loading stockcharts.com, it may be because javascript or because of my lockdown OS, I don't know. If you (or anybody) know a ticker from finance.yahoo.com or other source for this information, please comment it here.

    Additionally, there is this internal available on Stockcharts.com: $NYHL and a blog post which shows some backtest information at

    http://blogs.stockcharts.com/chartwatchers/2008/11/nyse-high-low-line-tells-the-tale.html

    Also, since I'm having trouble with stockcharts, is there some other location I can get tick and trin charts? My TDAmeritrade charts aren't so friendly.

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  4. Morning folks - thanks for the post Dan! Looks like our correction might still be in play.

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  5. Rock - Try http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3021-tradingdiary.html?mod=topnav_2_3000

    I got that from Denise yesterday.

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  6. I think I might actually have a slow week at work for the first time this year. Of course, it would have to be the week when so many people here are out :-/

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  7. Rock,

    I use the data from the WSJ online (it's free) to collect the raw data on a spread sheet where then I can manipulate it to get the stats I want.

    Markets Diary: Closing Snapshot

    Many times you have to construct your own indicators as financial sites, or data feeds do not have those things directly.

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  8. @Thor

    Thanks.

    Also, fyi, the Chinese attacks on MS and GOOG have resulted from internal security violations, and not from perimeter attacks. It looks like the perimeter attacks are low-level ongoing attacks which are designed to occupy net admins, but the actual problem came from software brought in by employees, downloaded at home, and carried in the notebook or perhaps USB drives. More investigation is ongoing.

    That's why we have lockdown OS. No changes to the software package, no downloads and no twitter or facebook or other horribly insecure apps are permitted.

    I'm not sure how you stop kids or stupid employees from carrying the bad things inside, but you might consider installing Norton on each client while you have a light week, and run remote scans periodically. If you run out of things to do.....

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  9. Rock - We have a pretty sophisticated IT Infrastructure here, one of the nice things the company I work for spends it's money on. Remember, we do a massive amount of sales via the web. We are required by law, because we have access to million of credit card data, to have the highest level of internal and external security. Most of the viruses that come our way are stopped at the firewall.

    We unfortunately don't lock down our workstations though, the owners don't want to impede anyone's 'creativity'. I know, I know, silly. So far that hasn't gotten us in too much trouble.

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  10. PS - we use Endpoint here for virus scanning. Gotta love Symantec!

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  11. At FreeStockCharts.Com they do $tick and $trin, delayed, I believe.

    I get those numbers also from my data feed (not free) and from my broker (free) IB, and they are not delayed.

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  12. Definite change of character today in the markets. Wide swinging moves instead of the grinding up after the beach ball trade.

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  13. Twice we have tested the 1318 ES level so we shall see if this holds for today, if obviously looks like it wants to go lower today, but goofy rallies can occur out of nowhere.

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  14. Dan - Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts. I especially liked your analogy of inertia, that made a lot of since to my scrambled brain.

    I can see that and how things could play out in the market, if things are going in one direction, then the force of the move will continue regardless of how many obstacles lie in the way, the force of the move will continue in that direction until all the momentum is exhausted.

    Mutt.

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  15. Dan,

    Thanks for your post. I saw this yesterday:

    Massey Security Chief Indicted

    CHARLESTON, W.Va. — The security chief of a Massey Energy Co. subsidiary is charged in a federal indictment with obstructing the investigation of a 2010 explosion that killed 29 miners at the company's Upper Big Branch Mine in southern West Virginia, federal prosecutors said Monday.

    The indictment accuses Hughie Elbert Stover, 60, of lying to an FBI agent and a federal Mine Safety and Health Administration inspector. It also charges he ordered an employee to dispose of thousands of pages of security documents from the Raleigh County mine more than nine months after the explosion.

    Horrible that another US company put profits over the lives of their miners.

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  16. We're two years out from the 666 bottom aren't we? I can't believe it's been two years already. So wish we could get a do over with the markets!

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  17. Face Book and stuffMarch 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM

    Rock - I used to work in the IT Dept of a finacial instution and we cracked down pretty hard on people who used their computers for any outside reasons.

    I have (tried) implimented the same policy at home, we have a crappy lap top for doing whatever and a crappy PC for doing on line stuff that may require personal information.

    Anyway the lap top finally died, so now my son is using the PC and although I sweep it regularly for virusis and check the programs that are running, the PC has taken a hit with the speed it processes stuff.

    My guess is most of the tardiness is caused by FaceBook - Or as my wife would put it BookFace.

    Anyway that is my two pennies.

    Mutt

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  18. Might be a trend day down, which is such a rare thing these days!

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  19. Now this is really a change in character.

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  20. Thor - I agree with you a do over would be nice.

    But it is all about learning and as hard as it is to believe it has been two years, I can not believe how much I have learned.

    Now maybe we can start making money :-)

    Mutt

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  21. Mutt - I'm still pinning my hopes on that gold I bought three years ago!

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  22. Greetings all! Back from the beaches of Mexico. Totally unplugged there, except for one or two very brief visits online. What's did I miss?

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  23. Manny,

    Welcome back! The Manny indicator is alive and well.

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  24. @dss: I now see that. ;-)

    @Rock: I now see that as well. ;-)

    Maybe I should go back. Was pretty depressed landing in MN at midnight last night. What a stark contrast.

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  25. Welcome back Manny! You didn't miss much! Did you get rid of your winter paleness down in Mexico? ;-)

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  26. Bernanke's testimony:

    Chairman: What happens if we don't address the defecit?
    Bernanke: There would likely be an adverse reaction in the markets.
    Chariman: What do you mean? What kind of adverse reaction?
    Bernanke: Panic.

    Nothing like a little comic relief for our blog.

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  27. @Thor: Got rid of some of it, although I managed to get a little sunburned in spots where I failed to reapply lotion. Not horrible but a little uncomfortable. Nothing that a few margaritas in the a.m. couldn't cure though.

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  28. Just having Bernanke testify is panic, no matter what he says.

    Letting criminal banksters go free, not breaking up the too big to fail banks, allowing them to continue to pay themselves ginormous salaries and bonuses, not enacting sweeping regulatory reform, and he is worried about the deficit?

    Without those changes, we could have another meltdown because there is still incentive in the system to lever up and legally steal billions with no fear of any penalty.

    And wouldn't the deficits be addressed by taxing the shit out of the banksters, hedge funds, and the rest of the top 1%?

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  29. Not too much panic, we haven't given back the lst two day's yet.

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  30. Exactly, Denise. The papering over of everything so that the looting can continue is going to end very badly and not reflect well on Ben's (and many others') legacy. He may end up with a worse rep than his predecessor, Greenie.

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  31. The biggest elephant in the room is the tax breaks for billionaires that was allowed to stand, they only worry about deficits when they can break the backs of the middle class. I guess that they don't want to insult their benefactors by taxing them and making them pay their fair share.

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  32. GS' legal bill could be 3+ billion.

    I guess the new winners are the lawyers.

    don't get me started on lawyers.

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  33. Rock - or me. The Henchmen of Bureaucracy.

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  34. Denise - Interesting how no one on the Democrat side has jumped on the obvious hypocrisy here. It was "not the time" to impose a tax increase on the uber wealthy because of what it might do to the economy, but apparently that same logic doesn't apply to what cutting government spending so deep right now would do to the economy.

    Again - this is not an excuse for continued or increased government spending.

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  35. @Thor: Isn't it obvious to everyone by now that the Dems are also in the back pockets of the uber rich and powerful? It's a distinction without much of a difference at this point.

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  36. Manny - yeah, they're both equally bad, there are still major differences though . . this budget fight is evident of that I think.

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  37. By the way, according some merchants in Playa Del Carmen, business is bad, even though it seemed pretty crowded down there. One merchant said there are way too many of them and far too few customers buying, especially the retail stores. They always push the hard sell dwon there, but it seemed even more desperate than usual. They seemed to have way too many half-full or worse restaurants down there with msot of the people just walking around and browsing. Also, seemed like way too much condo and resort space down there. Someone has to be taking a bath on those loans.......we the taxpayer, perhaps?

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  38. Cab driver also said business was "so-so" for him too. Airport seemed mobbed though. I just think people are still going away, but they've scaled back mightily on the extras.

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  39. @Thor: Agree there are still some differences but Dems merely pretend to be for the "little guy", for the most part, by throwing different, but mostly bare, bones to us, while in reality, they're almost as bad or worse in many respects.

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  40. Manny - I had the same experience when we were in Cancun. I wonder how much of that is the economy, and how much is the drug war. Even here, as close as we are to Mexico, people are still surprised when they hear someone is going down.

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  41. Manny - good point. They closest they really get to "the little guy" are the unions, which aren't really very little when you think about it. They failed big time in fighting for health care and bank regulation though.

    I guess both parties have abandoned their core principals eh?

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  42. @Thor: That might be true but like I said, it seemed pretty crowded to me, which made me think that most people just aren't buying, but are still making the trip down for the beach and maybe drinks. I don't think the drug war has hit down there at all, as the police presence seems to have locked things down pretty well from what I could tell.

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  43. re Rock:I'm not sure how you stop kids or stupid employees from carrying the bad things inside

    Switch their boxes to Linux?

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  44. Thks Dan. I'm on the same band wagon as Rock, who's announced his bearishness recently from what I've gathered.

    Let's plant that Bearish flag now. May it fly over that top for many moons to come. :D

    (disc: I'm not back in. Only trading virtually at the moment)

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  45. Wolfie - you ever think MS is going to go the way of Novell? When I was newer in the IT world I was a Network Administrator and our network we were running Netware. I remember at the time (mid to late 90's) people telling me it would never go away because it was so ubiquitous, we all see how that went. I've often wondered if the same could be said for MS.

    We're getting near full Active Directory integration on our Macs these days, so there's a move in our company in many groups to more fully move over to OS X. Cost is of course a concern, but we don't require nearly as many IT people to support our Macs as we have on the PC side. Far less downtime on the machines as well which is a cost saver. Never mind that there are still no serious Viruses for OS X.

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  46. Trend day down still intact, we could see a -200 points if there is no rally this afternoon.

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  47. Denise - damn, I step away from my desk for a couple hours and look what happens!

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  48. Next support is the big round number of 1300 ES and then the recent lows of 1292.

    We have not had the typical relief rally seen at this time of day nor any attempts at consolidating the losses so far.

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  49. Denise - looks like we might very well have a 200 point drop today.

    Meanwhile oil is back up near 100 and I see Gold is also near it's previous high.

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  50. @Thor:

    1/2 the legal bill:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-01/goldman-sachs-estimates-possible-losses-from-legal-cases-at-3-4-billion.html

    Of course the other side has representation too. Probably just as expensive.

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  51. Too Big To ProsecuteMarch 1, 2011 at 2:43 PM

    But Rock - GS is too big to prosecute.

    Mutt

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  52. Rock,

    I think that the losses are possible from losing the claims, not the legal bills themselves.

    "The figure was calculated by adding up three categories of potential liability, the filing said. The firm included the amount of money damages claimed, where applicable. It also added the amount of securities sold in cases where Goldman Sachs is being sued by purchasers of a deal underwritten by the company and where it’s not being indemnified. Finally, in cases where parties are demanding that Goldman Sachs repurchase securities they acquired from the firm, the calculation is based on the difference between the price paid and the estimated value on Dec. 31. "

    The article is a bit murky.

    Of course, if GS had done nothing wrong or unethical these claims would have no merit. The real question is how much did GS make that resulted in these claims being filed against them. Billions. Isn't it just a cost of doing business for them?

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  53. @WolfStreet

    I'm afraid Linux is not a complete solution. Having read the SCSI driver, it is just as full of overflow problems as Windows 3.1. The difference is Microsoft has the market, so hackers go after the numbers.

    But if I could switch to Linux, I would.

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  54. Rock - I think that's only part of the reasons, and a Microsoft invented one at that. At this point, any serious hacker would be worth his weight in gold if he could figure out how to design an affective virus for it.

    OS X is just better written than Windows - that's likely because it sits on top of a UNIX shell ;-)

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  55. @WolfStreet:

    I just want to mention I'm not full of bull anymore, but I am playing oils long and gdx and a couple of the miners long as well. Because some of the others were at the top of the channel, I tried a short, like I'm short my favorite short now, and made some money on AAPL short because of the rumor of Steve Jobs at Stanford Med Ctr.

    Just a short opportunist. Quick in and set a tight stop.

    But now, things like CENX and CHK are at the bottom of their respective uptrend channels, with stochastics 50% or higher, and relative strength higher than the S&P, so I'm looking at things like these for buying opportunities.

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  56. @Dss

    Wouldn't it be cool if some of these companies went after GS and won, or better yet, GS "settled"? It might, and I understand it's a big might, give the Justice Department attorneys some stones.

    Hope springs eternal.

    Usually it works the other way, the Justice Dept goes after the bad guys first, and when they're convicted or "settle", then the damaged Johns come out of the woodwork.

    But it could work the other way.

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  57. . . . .and there we have it -170.

    Good call Denise, pretty damned close to 200!

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  58. QE3 anyone? 4, 5, 6??????

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  59. @Rock,2:50PM: haven't read the Kernel code (yet :p). Must do it someday.

    But a very competent coder and friend has checked it (can't tell you which part though), and he's found it looked very well structured and written. That's for the architecture/coding style though, while you were referring to the actual logic it contains.

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  60. @Rock,3:04PM: Ah my bad, must have misread one of your comment. Just a quick short before buying the deeps then:p ? Good luck with your trades anyway.

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  61. @Thor,1:59PM:MS, Novell..

    I don't have numbers, but I guess a poll would show Microsoft reputation is broken beyond repair. Actually, I believe that the feeling that “Microsoft is crap” is so deeply entrenched in people's mind now, that even a breakthrough product on their part would be frowned upon and avoided wherever possible..

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  62. So, long story short: my opinion is that Microsoft is past. In some years from now, Microsoft may be no more than a successful player in the world of video game console makers (an area which they're surprisingly good at BTW).

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  63. @Dan,

    Thanks for the post! WTI above $100 again. Turnaround Tuesday it seems. Feels like 2008 again.

    ICan

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  64. What happened after the close?

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  65. My belief is that the "next Microsoft" will come from the smartphones world in fact.

    Agreed, Windows CE is widespread in businesses for such use as inventories, retail management, deliveries... Yet, among the smartphones hype, Microsoft is born-dead (namely for the previously mentioned general weariness of Microsoft products).

    As for the likeliest candidate for this transition, I'd go for Android(say what?).

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  66. Indeed, sells worldwide show that the Google OS is on its way to being the dominant mobile OS for the years coming.

    That will help people get familiar with the OS, and with the substitutes available for the tasks they're used to achieve with Windows (office suite, browser, mail, instant messaging...).

    As for companies, they will have to at least integrate Android to their existing tools too.

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  67. Finally, IIRC, the Android OS is already available for desktop.

    So it's not hard to see the final step being Android OS being adopted by users and companies alike as their main OS. :)

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  68. Wow - oil actually settled above 100.

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  69. @Denise, after hours: What's going on Denise?

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  70. Wolfie - hah, Android is popular cuz it's free ;-)

    Repeat after me - "there is no OS but Apple and it's name is OS X"

    Sad though isn't it? MS get's no love, especially from the folks who work with technology for a living.

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  71. Sheesh - We can't get a break!


    ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS

    Chris Dodd cast as lobbyist
    Former Democratic senator will need all his political skills to help Hollywood survive the digital world when he heads the Motion Picture Association of America, according to Rex Nutting.

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  72. re Thor: sorry I can't repeat that. I MAY be able to write it someday, at best..

    ...to burn it in front of my Little Robot god statue that is.

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  73. I am not sure but the ES is still going down. Maybe some earnings.

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  74. And no, MS receiving no love doesn't look sad to me. You rip what you saw. Would other have done better? Possibly.

    If only just by respecting their users, instead of using them as beta testers by shipping unfinished buggy software to them. And no, most of them didn't have the possibility to move away from MS products, in this masterfully locked up monopole.

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  75. @Denise:ok, thanks. Red is good.

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  76. Denise - down pretty good too, haven't seen us down this much in AF in awhile.

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  77. Interesting tweets from this morning:

    http://www.screencast.com/users/zor1/folders/Jing/media/7499362e-9946-4842-9a58-8531d5a1be9e

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  78. Good evening all.

    Ah. And welcome back Manny. But please don't tell TPTB you're back. We're were just starting having fun.

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  79. Cleric arrest rumors spook Saudi markets, oil". www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business


    Ican

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  80. Double edge swords are those QEs.

    "Bernanke's stimulus legacy soaring stocks, jobs, and consumer spending". www.theglobeandmail/business

    "But investors worried markets will fall without Fed's $75 billion monthly injection".

    Bill Gross,"The markets could have a shock in store". Yet, the there is also worry due to higher food and energy prices(inflation).

    ICan

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  81. Just wrapped up a nice chunk of technical work, and thought I'd share for those interested:

    Until today, I expected us to form a top on March 6th and 9th, but when things change, so should your work.

    Now it is becoming clearer to me that that moment in time should mark a low, not a high.

    Given the damage we did today, I and I must say that the top is in.

    If we take out 11690 on YM this week, then...


    Look for some nasty shit on Monday, and a waterfall "crashy" type event on Wednesday.

    We should make an intraday low on Wednesday, and it could be a doozy...

    Watch 11000 on the YM. This 1000 pts could go really fast. There is a chance that we reverse at 11500, but I think this trend means business and wants to wipe out the whole move from last years November low in one pattern.

    If that occurs, it should set up a decent bounce that takes us up to a lower high, to solidify the downtrend.

    Watch Friday 3/25 for the "real" lower high... could be one heck of a reversal trade on that day. Reversal price, approx 12030, but could go as far as 12300 depending on how many folks want to fight over the last seat when the music stops.

    Good luck all,
    -I

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  82. I-Man,

    I am in the middle of my homework as well. I am curious as to what you are basing these predictions on?

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  83. I-man - wow, those are some pretty serious predictions ;-)

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  84. DSS,

    All my price forecasting and any of the gibberish you may see me spew during the intraday is YM, the dowmini, for those that dont know.

    As far as technique, Gann angles and the Square of Nine math, and just a feel for the market because its the only thing I trade.

    If you would be interested in seeing some of the Gann material I'd be happy to email it to you. It was given to me, so I pass it on as well if someone is seriously interested in learning it.

    So most of all, its the price data. However, there are other factors that I consider, even if I dont really have a way of quantifying it. Thats where the Astro stuff and planetary alignments, cycles, etc come into play for me. They are secondary, I defer to price.

    I will say emphatically that I just post the forecasting stuff for fun, these blogs are the only forum I have to share that stuff with, and if it "hits" then awesome! Unfortunately, I only have the ability to daytrade right now, so I cant really take advantage of the work, other than to just have a idea of how it 'might' play out, which is better than blind far as I'm concerned.

    If it doesnt, I'll work harder next time.

    If it makes someone else look at a price chart and think, then thats even better.

    It is really cool when they "hit" tho, especially the timing ones.

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  85. When you go to finviz and see the Dow, you are seeing YM.

    http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=YM

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  86. no problemo, I enjoy talking about this stuff.

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  87. Weird...

    I thought I saw a post from you Thor.

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  88. Must have been a glitch in the matrix...

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  89. I-man - that was me - I'm on my way home from work hitting the wrong buttons.

    Shhh :-)

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  90. Thanks, I-Man. I always like to hear about other's methodology and how they came to the conclusions. I studied Gann years ago so I am very familiar with his work, Square of Nine, etc.

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  91. For what it's worth - from the gut/fundamental world in which I operate most of the time (sadly I have no aptitude for TA) - I think we're going to have a nice little correction, but nothing major. I don't think we'll have any major calamities in either the market, or the world. Things will muddle along, slowly getting a little better for the next year or so and then we'll have another crash - either within a year, or two tops - I could see a scenario in which we get through the next election (with Obama being re-elected) and then come down very hard sometime in 2013. . . .

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  92. Have been thinking tonight, how depressing it is, that the plutocracy has finally managed to put on the ropes the one effective counter they have ever had. They've not only loaded the government up with unlimited amounts of debt, basically ensuring that the continued debt slavery to it's citizenry, but they have somehow managed to convince said citizenry, as it's raping it, that it's the government itself that is the problem. The one and only counter to their total world domination is now in the fight for it's life.

    Lucky us.

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  93. Thor, let's not get too depressed, remember there is an Apple event tomorrow. That will make everything better, You'll see.

    The secret of life is to appreciate the pleasure of being terribly, terribly deceived.
    Oscar Wilde

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  94. Greg - That's right! Give me my shiny new toy!! :-)

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  95. @Thor, there you go. That's the spirit. See u tomorrow.

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  96. @Thor:

    You seem like a nice person, but I don't want to talk to you when you're in the car.

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  97. Rock - hah, I know - horrible habit. I justify it by noting that at least half the other drivers around me are doing the exact same thing.

    In my ever so mild defense though, I tend to only blog while in traffic when it's completely stopped :-)

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