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Wednesday, March 2, 2011

Rock's view of QE futures

@Ican:
From this weekend’s thread, I believe Bailout Ben will continue with a new QE when this one runs out.

First, we all know the repurchase of the treasuries is a “tailwind” for equities. Ben said so when he testified before congress yesterday. We have no visibility into whom the Fed is buying from, but I suspect it’s mostly from Europe in order to backstop the Euro. If the Euro fails, or devalues substantially, the dollar will rise, and equities will fall. Ben has said he wants to see the stock market pushed up because in his belief, that will stimulate the economy and job creation. But that's an "also" reason.

I have it on good authority that Ben's not buying from China. It's a sealed bid process and the Fed doesn't have to tell. China has hired brokers, but somehow, I of course have no idea how, that information gets out, and the Fed doesn't accept those brokers' bids. Now think why: If the dollar continues to fall, when the RMB value goes up, we'll owe the Chinese less and less. It's a great plan. The other one this is helping is the Rock. Rock bought a whole lot of RMB from HSBC who have a 6% return (that's no typo) if you invest in RMB for 6 months, plus a 2% interest. I had to do this because I am so fearful of trading huge blocks of stocks, it is very frightening. I borrowed on my homes from Wells Fargo (who says they aren't loaning?) at a little over 4%, and I'm getting an 8% return. Not so bad.

But Rock's return pales in light of Ben's return on his buyback program. Assuming QE continues to be successful.

QE will continue until China fully floats.

We have seen failure of the job creation philosophy during QE1 and QE2. One can argue about job creation, and what the numbers say, and how the numbers are created, etc, but we see articles like Emmanuel117 posted that says R&D is moving offshore. Manufacturing jobs have already moved offshore, and because of the housing collapse, all the jobs tied to the housing market have disappeared, with no industry stepping up to fill the void.

I believe this is not what Ben was hoping for. I believe he was hoping by QE1 And QE2 propping up the market, some industries would prosper and suddenly demand would strike, causing these industries to prosper and add jobs, which would spread like a virus.

It didn’t happen. Yet. Frankly, I believe it won’t happen.

Now Ben has several new problems to face. The first is credibility. Ben is incredible. So to improve this, he is making more press announcements and putting his best shiny face forward in the press and hopefully sell the enthusiasm and heightened mood to the American consumer. And as my comment from the other day, he is trying to show he has some personality.

The second is pension funds, also called “entitlements”. Not only are the banks under water and should mark-to-market philosophy change, many will fail, but also the pension funds are under water as well. Should the market plummet, the pension funds will go broke fast, because expenditures won’t match the income from the value of the funds (plus the payments from entitlees). And the trend for fund income is down: state and local governments are shedding headcount and therefore lowering the fund income; income tax revenues are down so FICA wages are lower and FICA income is down.

The third which is beginning to raise it’s head is the credit rating of the US which is being impacted by the national debt (not Ben’s problem) plus Ben’s buyback policies, causing rating agencies’ impending reduction of the value of US debt. That's why Ben is continually saying that Congress has to get their act together and get spending down.

I hate to be doom and gloom, but I see no upside in the near term because there is no critical need at the consumer level, neither in the US, nor worldwide. Everybody’s got a TV or access to one. Cars are being replaced, but again, no critical need (and assembly lines have been substantially mechanized). Food is being grown, but again the robots have replaced workers. New housing starts are effectively zero. There’s no critical need that I see which will create jobs. And once there is a critical need, it will take a long time to retrain the construction workers, the flooring layers, the stonemasons, the toilet casting foundry workers, all those workers that won’t have the skill to fill a position in the new critical need field.

We’re toast.

The only method Ben has is the repurchase of Treasuries or other assets that will keep the market artificially high and hope for the best. Interest is already effectively 0.

So there will be a QE3.

How will I trade this? I plan to spend more time with fundamentals, and start paring my watchlists to companies showing an uptrend in revenues (not income, so the evaluations will be difficult and time-consuming, each requiring multiple balance sheet study). I believe consumer goods companies won’t be showing uptrends in revenues, but companies supplying technology or components in a B2B environment will be the ones prospering. IBM, Oracle, Qualcomm come to mind. Also I plan to watch more carefully the structurals so that when the US puts a fine on Chinese Steel Pipe, I’ll go buy X (I already did that when it fell to the bottom of it’s uptrend channel).

I know y'all will cheer that there's no charts this week. But I could ask to replace one of the other posters, because I have a Rock's view of Moving Averages already created.

ICan, thanks for asking.

62 comments:

  1. From previous thread:Thks I-Man for sharing your work. I, too, believe the top is in. As mentioned before, not actually trading it though.

    Main reason is I'm kind of recovering from my 2008 to 2010 bankruptcy... I'm rebuilding decent capital for getting started again, in late 2011/2012 I guess. Secondly, well, I'm not THAT confident in that top either.:p

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  2. Anyway, I'm still regarding 1330 / 1350 as a possible top for the year. If anyone interested (despite the word "bankruptcy" above not being that enticing:p), here's my current analysis of monthly and weekly SPX charts.

    The downtrend line that may lead us down starts in February 2011, at the important (to me) 1330 mark, and is parallel to 2007/2008 downtrend channel. Finally, I like that the weekly RSI has broken its uptrend line inside the overbought zone. I've found this to signal a pause at best, and possibly a reversal.

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  3. Methodology of the upcoming European banks stress tests 2.0 to be announced today. Results are due end of june 2011.

    Remember that round 1 results (july 2010) have been widely discarded as irrelevant, namely due to the fact they "didn’t attempt to factor in the possibility of sovereign default."(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/8355347/EU-bank-stress-tests-what-went-wrong-last-time.html)

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  4. @Rock,

    Thank You for sharing your "thoughts". I appreciate very much. Knowledge is wealth.

    That RMB trade of yours rocks. I know in India, cd rates are high too - 8 to 9% - but those are negative - as inflation is way too high and they continue to devalue the Rupee.


    Anyone who is watching India, watch what Ben does. Guess where lot of printed USD ends up.

    ICan

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  5. Ditto, I-Man. Thanks for weighing in. I was out last night, so I'm just getting caught up. I also now believe the top is likely in no matter what Bennny does at this point and believe it's now going to unravel more quickly than I had thought. Again, it's looking a lot like late '07/'08 to me but different, if you know what I mean.

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  6. So India sold off last night. Predictable.


    ICan

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  7. DXY trendline - watch 76. Corey at the Afraid to Trade blog.

    PMs, CHF, oil and commodities are safehaven - not U$D yet.

    ICan

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  8. Nice charts, Wolfie. Sorry you had to go through a bankruptcy, than cannot have been fun.

    Until we break those weekly and monthly lines, we could still continue to rally, as tops take a long time to form.

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  9. Morning all,

    Just want to be clear that I dont necessarily think that the 2/18 top will be "the top" for US equities this year, it should certainly hold as a top for the next couple months.

    I am still looking for a June low to set up a run into the end of the year.

    I dont think we will take out the 2009 lows on any US equity index.

    I didnt make that clear last night and just wanted to.

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  10. @Denise:Thks. Yeah, I see it as the cost of learning.. Knowing I could count on my family to back me up financially, in case I screwed too much, didn't help with the discipline though. Took no safety net.

    Anyway, when I jump back in in some months from here, it'll be with a trading system ready and validated through months of virtual trading.;)

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  11. @I-Man, re top:thks for clarifying.

    Have fun all.

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  12. Rock,

    Let me discuss this with Thor. He has a post prepared but I am not sure if it is timely, if not, Thor could take my Friday and you can post your charts tomorrow.

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  13. Wolfie,

    When I started investing (trading didn't come until much later) I lost on probably 4 out of 5 things I "invested" in, due to advice from my broker. I call it tuition. Even a degree in finance was no help as I had no understanding of how markets work.

    Over time I realized that I had to learn all that I could and be self reliant if I wanted to make money. And I have never stopped learning many years later. And I still lose money but my gains are far larger than the losses!

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  14. Rock,

    Nice, well thought out post today. Lots to think about.

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  15. Morning all! Excellent post Rock! About a third of the way through it, goes good with morning coffee ;-)

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  16. @Dss:

    You're welcome. Rock was summoned back to the office for an all hands this evening. There is great news. If things play out, Rock may be able to return to the US. I wish I could say more, but suffice it to say what WolfStreet already said above: Work to fulfill your dream. You can make it happen.

    In the mean time, I hope everybody bought CENX or X at the close yesterday. Up, up and away!

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  17. Rock -

    I hate to be doom and gloom, but I see no upside in the near term

    Et tu Rockus? I'm starting to get lonely with you all moving away from the bullish position :-)

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  18. By the way, GREAT post, Rock. Can't really disagree with any of it.

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  19. Greg - Apple is apparently nearing the completion of total communications domination. There's a poll front and center on Marketwatch right now on whether or not Steve Jobs will show up at today's event. How much you want to make bet that Apple's stock jumps if he does, especially if he looks good. He's almost a modern Henry Ford.

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  20. @Rock: Moving to MN and joining me here in the North Pole? Was minus 1 when I got up this morning. Sunny though! I thought spring was near? Maybe not.

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  21. I-Man,

    Thanks for clearing that up. As I said before I like to listen to many viewpoints, thanks again.

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  22. Thanks for clarifing I-Man. I'm on the fence there. Previously I also felt that this wasn't THE final "top", so to speak, and that we had at least one final push higher, but now I'm starting wonder.

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  23. @Mannwich:

    No thanks. I already paid my dues there; I had to fly up every weekend and spend Friday nite, Saturday, Sunday and fly back early early Monday morning to spend time in Coon Rapids. All the time making sure I had a spot to plug my car in.

    Any town who's got a Coon Rapids is not somewhere I wanna be.

    I'm thinking maybe I'll go back to Boca Raton. Live with the rats again. Depends on how much tar is washing up on the beaches now.

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  24. I-Man - yes, agree with Manny, thank you for clearing that up! I thought you were calling the high for the year! :-)

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  25. @Rock: LOL, I know that place and believe me, wouldn't want to live there. Not a very interesting place to live. My little neighborhood is great though........

    I'm hankering for some beach living myself or somewhere the sun is out more often than not.

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  26. Rock - Thanks for posting your insightful thoughts.

    "We're Toast" Pretty well sums up where we are at, in the economy.

    I have heard/read/and seen evidence that companies are not hiringing those who are long term unemployed (Over a year) but coupled with your prediction on skilled trade workers lagging any economic recovery, is a pretty sobering thought.

    I also agree the Ben's only choice is to go with QE3 (Assuming he hasn't already fudged it in to QE2) But unfortunatly the first 2 QE's have done nothing to actually help those who make the economy run.

    Yet it doesn't seem like he has a lot of choices. Pull the money now, and we start to slide, keep trying to pump things up and we fall later.

    YIKES - I am not looking to when things finally work themselves out.

    Mutt

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  27. This is a pretty anemic bounce

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  28. Steve showed up and is on stage.

    Buy AAPL quick.

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  29. @Mutt
    You're right. Ben's authority is limited.

    Remember he's a banker. So he probably doesn't understand why free money doesn't stimulate job creation. Give a banker free money, and he's really got a lot of extra work.

    Not so with the rest of us schmuck non-bankers.

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  30. " Is McKinsey & Co. the Root of All Evil?". www.ritholtz.com

    Real advisors, eh!


    ICan

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  31. @Mutt
    We commented a number of days ago that some companies have policies in place of not hiring anyone who's currently unemployed, and others not hiring anyone who's been unemployed for xxx months (fill in the blank).

    The whole hiring paradigm shifted from hiring someone with capability to someone who's done last week exactly what I need done today.

    Until the paradigm shifts back to where we used to be, companies used to invest in their employees, we will continue to have masses of unemployment. And we will continue to have companies complaining "We can't find qualified candidates".

    A friend, no not a friend, but someone I know, ran a Russian (Ukraine) development organization. He was a complete fraud and liar. He claimed he had trained resources on-hand to develop what I needed. But he did not. We couldn't of course prove that, so he was awarded a contract. He immediately went out to the internet and recruited on-line developers, formed a development community, and implemented what we needed. No overhead. No investment in the employee. The product he delivered was poor quality and caused support nightmares, but the product manager was promoted and given a bonus for delivering the product on-time and under budget.

    go figure. I told product management VP to fire him.

    When I was with IBM, we used to have a vendor quality organization that went to vendors sites and qualified their processes (before ISO). Nobody does that anymore. So we get lead-painted toys for kids.

    We deserve this. It's because MBAs run companies now.

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  32. @MAnnwich
    When you read the Linux code, just have a look at how many subroutines (modules we call them these days) have parameter bounds checking on the input to the routine and on the output of the routine.

    We implemented an IDE hot-plug NASD which would automatically detect your IDE drive and add it to the RAID. We had to fix hundreds of modules that blew up on out-of-bounds parameters.

    The hardware interface code is not robust.

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  33. @Rock(11:17)

    Do share your good news with us if you can. Good luck.

    Go to go. I am not buying anything until the trend is clear. I do have some Su, TRP and C. Thnks again for the post.

    ICan


    ICan

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  34. Free Money = More WorkMarch 2, 2011 at 1:39 PM

    Rock (1:08) - In the name of science, I will be conducting a Scientific Experiment to see if giving me a boat load of free money will or will not make a lot of extra work for me.

    Ok I am doing my part, now the rest of you all need to chip in and start giving me free money.

    Rememeber this is in the name of science so give until it hurts.

    Results will be published while on vacation.

    Mangy Mutt

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  35. @Ican

    You bet. Thanks. But actually, here is not so bad, just the hours and hours and hours are difficult. If they decide to evaluate my latest code base, 95% of my work can be done by others. So I'm hopeful.

    I think your SU is good, after its pullback to get back in in the new channel. Until, as Dss says, you read in the news that oil is coming back to earth again, and SU falls out of channel. I too have SU.

    But you're really brave owning a bank that's completely under water. If they decided tomorrow to mark-to-market, your investment would be worthless.

    I don't understand why banks aren't required to mark-to-market. Homeowners are required to do that. Retailers are required to do that. Contractors are required to do that. What makes banks so special?

    /rant}

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  36. Rock (1:50)- "I don't understand why banks aren't required to mark-to-market"

    It is because they are too busy working with all their free money...You know to get the economy back on track.

    Mutt

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  37. @Mutt:

    You can go get free money. I did.
    go to HSBC and buy RMB, and they will give you 4% of the money you give them in 6 months. 8% if they keep it for a year! For free. You do nothing!!!! Just wait!!!!

    Do what I did. Borrow money at 4% and get HSBC to pay you 8%! Then pay back the money you borrowed.

    Such a deal!

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  38. Greg - so a little bit if a change to the iPads, I think I'll buy one now. The iPhone 4.0 tethering is exciting, no need to buy the 3G model if you already have an iPhone.

    I see AAPL isn't getting much of a bounce out of this.

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  39. Anyone knows a lad that goes by the name "Thor" ?

    We've been told he's a regular user of this blog, and we need to question him about this:
    "Google Removes 21 Malware Apps from Android Market"

    There's a group of Apple fanatics involved into this mess, and we think your guy is a member of it.

    Be on the watch anyway, this person can be dangerous to your own IT systems too.

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  40. @Thor

    We're hiring.

    http://vticcae.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/cia-virtual-career-fair-march-8th/

    Need a letter?

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  41. @Dss

    I think we oughta help Mutt out. (I don't mean open the door). Today I gave him AAPL and it's up 1% from when I posted.

    If you give him a 1% per day, then he'll have 40% per month, and maybe he'll stop complaining.

    Whadda you think?

    PS Mutt, sell AAPL now. Take your 1% and run.

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  42. Wolfie - That had to be you - I plead the 5th! ;-)

    Rock, hrmmm, you know that might tie in well with my desire to travel to exotic locations! Pay and benefits would be excellent I'm sure! I don't know that I could live in the south though - I think the humidity would kill me after 40 years in dry California!

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  43. I can't believe I just wrote 40 . . . 8 more months!

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  44. Thor, the bounce isn't to bad.

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  45. @Thor
    I understand the openings are in Barrow and St. Lawrence IS

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  46. @greg:

    You're right. At one time AAPL was up 4X the S&P! Now, it's dropped back to only 3X, but what do people want in a day anyway? 2000%?

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  47. @Rock, I think we want it to trade at 20 times this years earnings. That would be fair.

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  48. Oil almost at 103 . . .I paid $3.89 this morning to fill up, almost 70 bucks. How much longer for the speculators to come back and run it up even higher? Or are they back already?

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  49. @greg

    TDA says AAPL P/E is 19.5X. So it's pretty close?

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  50. @Rock, that's based on last years earnings of $17.91/share.Price should be based on this years earnings which will be significantly higher.

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  51. Rock - I have counted my pennies and nickles and figure if I can get a free cup of coffee at TIF the rest of this month (Including Saturday and Sunday) and find a few extra coins in the gutter, I just might be able to buy a share of AAPL by the end of the month.

    After that I will sell it.

    Mutt

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  52. @Rock: Great thoughts (1:19 p.m.). Couldn't agree more about MBA's running the show and us getting what's coming. We do deserve this. I used to say that we were "competing ourselves into oblivion". My father in law (a really GREAT guy and best father in law a guy can ask for) chuckled at that comment a number of years ago not fully understanding my point. I now think he understands my poinmt.

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  53. Hard for me to see what propels things higher at this point but I've been wrong before, of course. Many times.

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  54. @Thor: Gas has jumped here over 20 cents in less than a week. Was paying $25 to fill my tank in '09. Is now nearly $40. Not insignificant to those budget strapped that drive a lot (which is means most Americans these days).

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  55. @Rock, Jeff(5:27)

    "Bernanke Doesn't Rule Out More Bond Buying to Aid Economy". http://noir.bloomberg.com/

    Yesterday, he said inflation in the U.S. is low(not looking at oil or food).

    "Asked at a House Financial Services Committee hearing today what conditions would warrant a THIRD ROUND(Caps mine) of so-called quantitative easing, Bernanke said that,'what we'd like to see is a sustainable recovery, we don't want to see the economy falling back into a double dip or to stall-out".

    "QE3 has to be a decision of the Federal Open Market Committe and it depends again on our manade for stable prices and maximum employeement"

    He said,"I am very attentive to inflation and potential for inflation".

    "The economy's recovery is not firmly established and we think monetary policy needs to be supportive".

    "Inflation's likely to remain low through 2013, Bernanke....said in a Senate testimony yesterday".


    So, there you go. He's prepared to print, print, print!

    ICan

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  56. @I Can: LOL. I wonder if he'll still maintain "inflation is low" when gas prices hit $5 and well beyond, and corporate margins completely collapse? Buy, hey, there can be NO inflation if wages don't go up. Sounds like we're headed to Uber-Quasi-Stagflation to me. But let's just deny it away. It's not there if we say it isn't. Extend and pretend has "worked" so far, so why not keep it going?

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  57. Manny and Rock - what do you guys mean specifically about MBA's running the show these days? We have a few of them here and I've always thought that whatever money these people spent getting their MBA was money wasted.

    Rock - My mother in law works for IBM, she's just about to retire this year.

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  58. @Jeff,

    Also, inflation is not a problem for the rich. What % of their household budget gets spent on food and fuel? Minuscule.

    It's problem for average folk in Canada where we are paying $1.17-1.24/liter for regular gas even when the CAD/USD = 1.003.

    Feel sorry for the older folks and people on fixed income.


    ICan

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  59. "Brazil's benchmark rate hiked to 11.75%". marketwatch.com

    Guess what their 'real' inflation rate is?


    ICan

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  60. Post scheduled for tomorrow with the CORRECT time thankyouverymuch!

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  61. @Mannwich, ICan
    I think 40% or so of the inflation calculation is based on housing. I can't find USG published information on this, but that seems to be the consensus. But as you know, the CPI is calculated from a "representative basket of goods and services". However, from

    http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpifaq.htm#Question_1

    "BLS selected the urban areas from which data on prices were collected and chose the housing units within each area that were eligible for use in the shelter component of the CPI."

    Again, I can't find what urban areas were selected, whether they remain consistent from report to report, and/or how eligibility of units is determined. They do publish the CPI for various urban areas, but they do not say which ones or how each calculates into the overall CPI.

    So they can make the CPI statistic say whatever they want.

    It is published, however, that gasoline is 5.1% of the CPI. So a 100% change in gas prices will make the CPI go up 5%, so from

    (Current CPI) * 1.05 = (new CPI)

    1.8% * 1.05% = 1.89%.

    That's why Ben's not worried. The actual change will be "in the margins". You'll just be paying $8 for gas.

    And if the CPI does look bad, I'm sure the folks who calculated it will suddenly find that the housing in Detroit inner city will become "eligible ... shelter components".

    Also, agin from that link above,
    "In general, the composition of the market basket and the relative prices of goods and services in the market basket during the expenditure base period vary substantially across areas".

    Bottom line, based on how the CPI may be calculated, and how it may be changed from reporting period to reporting period makes it a completely worthless statistic, and employees working in this area are simply a waste of our tax dollars and an unnecessary burden on the pension funds.

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