Farley goes on to talk about S/R. His basic definition has fudge factors built in, he talks about elasticity, and load factors (that is traded volume at the S./R point). The first important point he makes is that S/R points may not be price pivots, it may rather be short sellers getting in at a particular point or funds buying in to momentum. His second point is that S/R parameters, each by itself, is weak, and the more that add up at a particular price, the stronger the S/R point becomes.
His first S/R parameter is horizontal price marks, where on a price chart there may be price pivots at the same price value happening at different times. He says that when these happen with high volumes, it is a strong S/R parameter.
He discusses the moving averages, 20, 50 and 200 day. I reviewed my 600-list of stocks with the 20, 50 and 200 day moving averages, and found more violations than S/R’s, when using this single parameter.. He also uses EMAs or Exponential Moving Averages in some of his examples, and I did not evaluate that parameter.
He mentions Fibonacci numbers as an S/R parameter. Again, an evaluation of retracements showed far more violations of the Fibbonacci numbers as valid S/R points. (Fib numbers (38.2%, 61.8%, 70.7%, 78.6%, 84.1%.) For example here’s my favorite short X again, the fib levels were not hit on the retracement.
He mentions whole numbers as an S/R parameter. Like the Dow 12000 hat being a major S/R point. On my evaluations, I did find quite a number of even-dollar’ed pivot points (of course many more violations as you can logically imagine) but it was interesting that at these dollar points, how often it was a turning point for the stochastics. So, never put your stop at an even dollar point. Pick a point above or below, depending on if it’s a short or long.
As I said earlier, he uses volume as an S/R parameter. Again, volume by itself may or may not coincide with a price pivot. He mentions the volume must be substantially heavier than the average volume for that time period (daily, 60 minute, etc). His point is that when there is substantial volume above a period/s normal average volume, that establishes a lasting effect on price.
He talks about the channel boundaries that establish the trends, and how weak these particular boundaries are as an S/R parameter. Farley talks about (but does not elaborate on) the studies of central tendency as attempting to define S/R. He mentions that mathematical statistics of central tendency studies divergence from a central price axis. I googled around and found nothing, and my prob and stats book is long gone. But this interests me, and maybe I’ll ask my applied math friend at work, I’m sure he knows everything about this. :-)> And for a free lunch, will elucidate me. :-)>
And finally, Farley uses the term “fade” enough for us to get a definition. If you’ve ever heard “fade the stock”, it means reduce your position as the price heads for a S/R point.
There’s one more thing I’d like to mention about S/R. I have set stops below S/R points, not fading my position, but completely getting out; I guess you may call it a “hard stop”. I have seen more than a few instances where the price inflection point has turned around at the S/R point I expected, but one trade has gone below that point, and mine was the only order executed at that lower point. This leads me to believe that an operator may know the price is turning around because of order movement and bid/ask movement, and he reaches down to buy a single large block to put in his account as the stock turns. Since I have seen this several times, now I fade the stock at the S/R point rather than setting one stop loss order. This may be a special case of the hammer pattern (remember that one?)
I have read many traders who seem to feel that S/R points remain in place over extended periods. I read Barry Ritholz’s post in Buzz and Banter where he said “we go back to the support point from last April” or something like that. I’m wondering if these long-term S/R points have any merit at all, and I’m wondering what the effect of a trending market has on those S/R points. In other words, if there’s a horizontal large volume price inversion last April, and now the S&P is 20% higher, how that 20% affects that particular S/R point. I’m thinking it must. I mean, if the market’s up 20%, I’m going to set my stop 20% higher, so it’s logical to think the S/R point tracks the market.
Thks Rock! Really appreciate that you're sharing your backtesting results to evaluate misc methods also.
ReplyDeleteHaving experimented with several sophisticated tools, I'm back to trading based mainly on eye-spotting lines, plus volume confirmation.
Only halfway through reading your analysis, but so far it reinforces my faith in sticking with this basic method.
Will check back tonight. Happy trading everyone.
@Wolfstreet
ReplyDeleteI agree with you.
When I was starting out, I really needed the help from these books and these definitions and the sophisticated tools. It took a long time to gain confidence.
Working with the tools only gives you a "kinda-idea" of what's going on. With experience, you get a feel of volume and price and timing.
As ICan has pointed out, there are also websites with unselfish individuals who, if you follow them, can teach you quite a lot. I think one of his favorites is on our trading links, and is a snake.
Cameroonians plan anti-government protests
ReplyDeleteNFLX looking like a good short, and Apple looking to slingshot, again.
ReplyDelete@Greg:
ReplyDeleteYou don't think investors are starting to price in Steve's illness and death?
Saudi king announces new benefits
ReplyDelete"As part of the Saudi scheme, state employees will see their incomes increase by 15 per cent, and additional cash has also been made available for housing loans.
No political reforms were announced as part of the package, though the 86-year-old monarch did pardon some prisoners indicted in financial crimes."
Never waste a crisis...
Looks like this little sell off ain't over. I wonder if the dip buyers will come in today to reverse it? I'm guessing not yet. This has a different "feel" to me. Beach ball has been deflated. For now anyway.
ReplyDeleteDaily and weekly charts on F looking mighty FUGLY.
ReplyDeleteIf it all falls apart again just in time for the election campaigns to start heating up, get ready for an absolute circus, the likes of which we have never seen before. Hello Michelle Bachmann?
ReplyDelete@Rock, I think that's already priced in for the most part. I believe that's why we are not already at $400.
ReplyDelete@Wolfie: By the way, guess who's leaving the country tomorrow until Monday night? Looks like the Mannwich indicator trade might be back on again..
ReplyDelete@Manny, first Ritholz, and now you. We are doomed.
ReplyDeleteI'll have to drop by an Internet cafe to check in and see if the world is coming to an end. If it is, maybe I'll just hunker down on the beach for a while longer? At least until April anyway. ;-)
ReplyDelete@Rock,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the post. Thanks for calling the market as you saw it.
Risk on day today. EUR/USD, FXI, EPI green even when oil is up.
Several weeks ago I asked,"What's up with $Lumber?". Thinking the U.S. ,China and the rest of the world housing market saturated.
"China's growing appetite for BC lumber" - Vancouver Sun.
Been selling SU, yesterday, and today. Will keep some.
ICan
Morning folks - so much for my turn-around. :-/
ReplyDeleteOil to 100 today?
QE3 coming? At this rate, we'll be on QE10 by around 2018 or so.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.zerohedge.com/article/dollar-plummets-expectations-qe3-spread
New 52-week high for DIG.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to say anything, Thor. The day IS early though.
ReplyDeleteGood morning all. Market still selling off. I am shocked!
ReplyDeleteRock,
ReplyDeleteNice post and you bring up some interesting points about SR.
Manny,
ReplyDeleteI'll take your Manny Monday next week. Have a great time!
This is beginning to look like a slow ooze down. No huge negative ticks, yet, not a lot of urgency in the selling so far.
ReplyDeleteCrude, Bonds, Gold, and the VIX are confirming this move today.
ReplyDeleteThere it goes. Unreal to watch. Elevator up, escalator down. Not for the feint of heart.
ReplyDeleteThanks Denise. Just had a big smile on my face packing shorts, t-shirts and flip flops. Nobody appreciates a warm weather get away in February than me. Just the feeling of the warm, humid air when the airplane opens brings me back to life.
ReplyDeleteManny,
ReplyDeletePlus my safety stock, JNJ, is up today.
Manny,
ReplyDeleteWe are leaving in a week for spring break! Florida never seemed so exciting to me so obviously I need a warm weather break.
Are we going to bounce off 1300 ES? A second trend day down can follow the first one but it is a lower probability scenario.
ReplyDeleteThe last one was in April, 2010.
This feels a lot like '08 to me. May take a while to peter out, but I get the sense that it's going to be a circus once the election primary campaigns start in earnest later this year.
ReplyDeleteOr late '07....
ReplyDeleteSpecial Report: Is Stevie Cohen the Feds' Moby Dick?
ReplyDelete(Reuters) - Soon after prosecutors charged two of his former employees with trafficking in confidential corporate information earlier this month, Steven A. Cohen kicked his hedge fund's damage control operation into high gear.
Looks like old Scotty could be in some hot water. What an amateur.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/scott-walker-buffalo-beast-phone-prank_n_827058.html
Manny,
ReplyDeleteThat is just priceless.
"I'm using the Skype"! Koch is a billionaire.
This rates right up there with Palin getting punked by the Canadians, Prime Minister Poutine!
@Denise: Kinds of really lays out just how little clothes (if any) our so-called emperors really have on. I wonder if it's always been this way throughout time though, with the advent of emerging technologies only serving to expose the fact that most, if not all, of our so-called "betters" aren't really that much, if at all, better or more intelligent than the rest of us (and many times, MUCH MUCH worse).....
ReplyDeleteIrish elections on Friday, Feb. 25th. Another Iceland? How will that affect the Euro/Usd, banks which are exposed to Ireland, the general market sentiment?
ReplyDeleteICan
Manny,
ReplyDeleteIf there was any doubt about Walker's true intentions, that conversation confirmed that it is about right wing funded by a billionaire breaking the unions and nothing else.
ICan - that's going to be an interesting one. What if a government opposed to all the austerity measures is elected!
ReplyDeleteICan,
ReplyDeleteI would guess not much. Ireland is in hock to the EU and unlike Iceland, they cannot devalue their way out of the debt crisis.
Denise - this whole Union busters thing makes me very sad. At it's most fundamental level, it's about removing rights from "others" that the rest of the working poor lost long ago. Basically, someone else has something I don't and I want it taken away from them. Not "give ME those same rights" or make the company *I*" work for treat it's employees better. The right wing movement in this country, as well as their corporate overlords have managed to turn the entire argument on it's head.
ReplyDeleteThis kind of shit makes me very very sad for my country :-(
@Thor: Colbert had a funny quip about that last night along the lines of "if I'm going down, I'm going to take you with me"....
ReplyDeleteThat's the mentality we're facing right now. The Sheeple dragging other sheeple down with them instead of going after the real reason and culprits that are hammering us all. It's a sad, sorry spectacle to witness.
Al Jazeera reporting that a plane attempting to land in Malta had Kadaafi's daughter on board.
ReplyDeleteFXI and EPI red again. FXI chart looks fugly.
ReplyDeleteICan
Manny - and here's your real correction!!
ReplyDeleteManny,
ReplyDeleteWe have known for a long time that our country's middle class has been targeted for destruction, so that they can join the rest of the lower class in vying for jobs, non-existent benefits and a race to life at the bottom.
And the most ironic thing is that I bet lots of these union workers voted Republican.
@Jeff,
ReplyDeleteWatching C?
ICan
Very f***ing sad indeed.
ReplyDeleteIndiana Official: "Use Live Ammunition" Against Wisconsin Protesters
On Saturday night, when Mother Jones staffers tweeted a report that riot police might soon sweep demonstrators out of the Wisconsin capitol building—something that didn't end up happening—one Twitter user sent out a chilling public response: "Use live ammunition."
From my own Twitter account, I confronted the user, JCCentCom. He tweeted back that the demonstrators were "political enemies" and "thugs" who were "physically threatening legally elected officials." In response to such behavior, he said, "You're damned right I advocate deadly force." He later called me a "typical leftist," adding, "liberals hate police."
Only later did we realize that JCCentCom was a deputy attorney general for the state of Indiana.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/indiana-official-jeff-cox-live-ammunition-against-wisconsin-protesters
And there won't be any movement at all to ask this person to resign, let alone put him in prison for inciting violence against peaceful protesters.
We are so screwed.
April Crude 99.95.
ReplyDeleteThe Manny Trade strikes again!
ReplyDelete@I Can: Yep, watching that one too.
ReplyDeleteDIG up nearly 4%.
I got the call for 100 dollar oil right! Finally! I made an accurate call for a change ;-)
ReplyDeleteThor,
ReplyDeleteWhat I find so revealing is that they aren't even trying to hide their true motives anymore, trying to divide the electorate with gays, Jesus, guns, abortion, etc.
They are coming right out and saying it, "we are aiming to destroy the middle class of America".
Boehner (R-So be it) didn't disguise his total disdain for the middle class and his minions are following suit.
I still find it unbelievable that so many middle class people don't realize that they are the targets of this class warfare. They are the frogs in the pot of ever hotter water.
Manny is the Man!
ReplyDeleteThor,
ReplyDeleteCongrats! Except 100 might be history if this keeps up.
That is unreal, Thor. Not surprising though, when you think about it. Very sad.
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ReplyDelete@Denise: Many that are still doing OK won't realize it one bit until it actually hits home PERSONALLY with them (e.g. when THEY get hit by it) or maybe a very close family member or friend. It's truly sad.
ReplyDeleteLike George Carlin said, "they want it all, they're coming for you and your social security next.". They won't stop until they truly have it all at everyone else's expense or until something stops them.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Carlin, RIP.
ReplyDeleteShareholder proposal for Apple to announce succession plan defeated. Big surprise!
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile in Dubai, who's vacancy rate is now approaching that of Detroit.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.arabianbusiness.com/dubai-can-t-kick-building-habit-as-property-glut-expands--382680.html
Construction sites are buzzing with work across Dubai more than two years after the financial crisis set off a real-estate slump that caused values to fall by more than 60 percent.
In the next two years, tens of thousands of new properties will come onto a market where about 40 percent of homes and offices are empty.
Developers have chosen to complete projects started before Dubai’s property market collapsed rather than canceling them and facing a legal obligation to return all advance payments to customers. Falling construction costs and low interest rates also provide an incentive to build now rather than waiting for property values to increase.
@Thor: Amazing. I'd like to know which banks are taking a bath on these loans? I'm sure that Uncle Ben and his friend Timmy are somehow bailing them out on our behalf though.
ReplyDeleteIs the uptrend over - look to GS for answers
ReplyDelete"A broad-based sell-off took place yesterday in all the major market indexes, erasing up to two weeks worth of gains. Is the uptrend over? To determine the health of the current uptrend let's examine the characteristics that define the bullish trend in the SPDR S&P 500 (SPY). In addition, a potential distribution topping pattern in Goldman Sachs (GS) may be a few steps ahead of the markets. A trigger and follow-through of the GS pattern, and names in similar stages, can provide a roadmap to the future direction of the overall markets."
AFK - africa etf - up today.
ReplyDeletedisc: no position
ICan
I know I've said this before. . . but can anyone explain to me how ETF's are not just pure gambling?
ReplyDeleteThey don't actually represent anything in the real world do they? No one trades shares of an actual company I mean. . . .
@Thor: Most of this is "pure gambling" now. It's not really any different for company stocks that don't pay a dividend.
ReplyDeleteThor,
ReplyDeleteEvery thing is just pure gambling when you look at that way. :-)
The companies that issue ETFs must buy the corresponding instruments underlying that ETF. SPY is made up of the stocks in the S&P 500 which do not change unless there is rebalancing.
Thor, you remind me of Louis in Casablanca. You are shocked that gambling is going on here.
ReplyDeleteGreg & Denise - Hah, too true, you'd think I grew up out in the sticks :-)
ReplyDelete"Blankfein opposed raising salaries months before his tripled". http://noir.bloomberg.com
ReplyDeleteMore on the fake interview with Walker:
ReplyDeleteScott Walker punks workers
Bragging to fat cats that "stereotypical blue-collar worker types" support his union busting shows his hypocrisy
I think Walker's comments are hugely incriminating, maybe not legally, although the governor does seem to say yes ("That would be outstanding!") to a Koch-funded trip to California to reward his work supporting the super-rich, which could be construed as the promise of an illegal gift. But listening to Walker lay out his plans to trick Democrats into returning to Wisconsin, brag about his national popularity, compare himself to Ronald Reagan and joke about the "stereotypical blue-collar worker types" who support his union busting, I thought the conversation incriminated Walker as an enormous hypocrite: someone who pretends he's protecting state taxpayers and beleaguered private-sector employees, but is really part of a cynical fat-cat movement to pit workers against one another while insisting "it's all about gettin' our freedom back!" You really have to hear it (audio here) or read it all (transcript below) to believe it.
Greg - We've finally started offering some of our more senior execs MB Air's. Have you ever played with one of these? Those solid state HD's are pretty sweet. You hit the power button and they're almost instantly ready to go.
ReplyDelete"Silver imports rising despite soaring prices" and
ReplyDelete"Jewllers fear import duty hike in gold and silver". - New budget
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110224/biz.htm
ICan
That is bad. Makes it so obvious about his disdain for voters and average people. When will people wake up and realize these folks are tools for the uber-rich who don't have our best interests at heart?
ReplyDeleteYou'll like this one, Denise:
ReplyDeletehttp://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/23/bobby-franklin-miscarriage-naturally/
Yes, these are our "fearless leaders".
Thor, no I've never actually played with one, but hear they are impressive. Never been a big laptop fan actually, in part I guess cause I've never really had a need to use one on a regular basis. Maybe the new Macbooks next week will sway me.
ReplyDelete@Manny,
ReplyDeleteThey don't call them the American Taliban for nothing. What's next, burkas for all women, stoning for those women who commit adultery?
Pretty unbelievable stuff for 21st century America and even more unbelievable that this cretin was elected.
Manny - That's pretty insane . . . so much for keeping government out of people's private lives huh?
ReplyDeleteI have to share this. Sometimes living in LA can be so entertaining.
ReplyDeleteNumber of Wig Shops on Crenshaw Boulevard Called "Alarming"
Intersections South LA, a news site based in South Los Angeles, published a story this morning about the alarming number of wig shops on Crenshaw Boulevard. Excerpt: "Some residents of Crenshaw don’t like the number of wig shops. They would like to see Crenshaw become a more self-sufficient area, with diversity in shops. Los Angeles City Councilman Bernard Parks says he has received complaints about the wig shops for well over a decade." But store owners say that the area shoppers like having options when it comes to wig options. Check out their video report below.
I heard something on NPR the other day about Wisconsin that really stuck with me. I won't get it right, but basically that the people who run this country have successfully managed to not only deflect blame from themselves, but we are now actually punishing the VICTIMS of their crimes!
ReplyDeleteExactly Thor. Surreal, isn't it? By the way, that Indiana official who advocated violence against the protesters has been reportedly canned.
ReplyDeleteYAY! Some things do work the way they are supposed to work!!
ReplyDeleteAnother thing I heard on the radio today was that what we call the Left in this country would be considered Far Right anywhere in Europe.
"The average 401(k) balance hit a 10-year high at the end of last year as the recession waned and more Americans bulked up their retirement savings.
ReplyDelete(...)
According to Bloomberg, the analysts attribute the rise in contribution levels to market performance. Particularly emphasized in this article was the influence of the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index gaining almost 13 percent in 2010."
401(k) Contributions Hit 10-Year High
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[Pushing aside the newspaper and nodding to the crew]
Good job. Seems all tithes are in ?
Alright then. Back to business guys:
Sell'em!
Everyone loves it when people come together and share thoughts.
ReplyDeleteGreat blog, continue the good work!
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