As many of you know, I’ve been studying volume patterns to go along with my knowledge of price patterns. IMHO, when used with other tools, volume patterns will give a dimension to the market activity and to individual stock activity that from my perspective don’t seem to be gained by other tools.
But before we start with the volume, we need to consider what tools we use and what they tell us. When we look at any chart, it tells us what happened in the past. We look to that information and add our knowledge, gut feel, and history of what took place in another time, and use the combined information in an attenpt to predict the future. We can then assign a probability to that future.
In order to correctly assign probabilities, it takes more than just chart information. We might look at market internals because as we all know, a stock tends to follow the market. I have done relative strength observations for a long time now, and have found that stocks do trend, the successful ones trend higher than the market. But we might look at other tells, like Oil, Gold, some sector ETFs, and other market internals. We should consider structural factors as well, such as the FED printing money. Additionally we have psychological information such as we know that for the last 6 quarters, when a company has reported earnings, 70% of the time, the report has beaten estimates (1). With that information, and a chart that, based on our knowledge of charts looks like the stock might move upwards, we might consider that it will do just that.
Over the last week, I have studied about 70 stocks which exhibit volume trending patterns that increase in volume by at least 10% per day over a 3 day period. Of these, 17 reported earnings during the period. Statistically, a 25% hit on one random factor is extremely unusual. Anyway, here are the results:
10 Of the 17 stocks showed increasing price trend during the 3 day volume increase period. Of these 10, 9 of the stocks popped up on the report day.
2 of the 17 stocks showed decreasing price trend during the 3 day volume increase period. Of these, both of the stocks popped lower on the report day.
The remaining 5 stocks neither popped higher nor lower, they stayed within their price range for the period.
Here is ERIC, an example:
Now, having learned this, my favorite short was X. I was going to short into earnings, under the assumption that the earnings report would suck. However, I applied what I learned from the above, and see what happened on the 10 minute chart: increasing volume, increasing price, for more than 3 periods. I exited my short at 55, just a tiny tiny amount lower than my entry. Good thing I did.
(1) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-20/u-s-stock-index-futures-fluctuate-before-jobless-claims-housing-reports.html
Thanks, Rock for your post.
ReplyDeleteFOMC results at 1:15 cst.
Rock
ReplyDeleteIs very good to check volume too.I have a question The 9 stock that popped up first had 3 days of 10% increase in volume...and the 4th day was earnings?
Or earnings could be inside of the 3 day period or outside it, like lets say the 6th day?
Thank you
Dan
Rock - Thank you for taking the time to put that up, it is good stuff.
ReplyDeleteMangy Mutt
@Dastro:
ReplyDeleteThe math for the screener reports stocks that increase in volume for 3 days. The report might have been on the third (or last day), or perhaps after the bell on the 3rd day.
I'm not exactly sure how futures work, and whether futures trading is rolled up in the volume reported on the day of the trade, or at the beginning of the next day.
In any case, it looks like there were at least 3 days before the report, but I guess the report could have been on the third day.
Day(0) establishes the base
Day(1) > Day(0) + 0.1 * Day(0)
Day(2) > Day(1) + 0.1 * Day(1)
Day(3) > Day(2) + 0.1 * Day (2)
The day's volume is taken at the close of the day. But with TDA, I'm not sure if that's at midnight, and how futures and mutual funds act.
Several were more than 3 days.
I'm also looking to correlate this information with big volume trades, not necessarily reporting. But it's really interesting that the number of reporting stocks is so large, proportionately.
@Rock,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the post.
ICan
DOW 12k. 36K here we come.
ReplyDeleteI'm somewhat stunned we're at these levels so soon. How long can we keep marching straight up?
ReplyDeleteWhat are the catalysts that will take this market higher?
ReplyDeleteDevolping world is grappling with inflation. Can they ramp through without causing instability?
Develop world sucks! Ok, that's too harsh.
ICan
Thanks for sharing your insights. Good that you got out safe of X by sticking to your method.
ReplyDeleteAs an aside, less than 10 comments so far?? C'mon lads! Give this post some well deserved love! :D
Hopefully a peak in comments volume is just around the corner.
Ditto Wolfie. Great post, as always, Rock.
ReplyDelete@I Can: "Catalysts"?!? TPTB have to have a rising market, so they'll get a rising market. Too much invested in things to not get one at this point. They bring it down again when it suits their purposes though. Just not yet.
"Tunsia issues arrest warrant for deposed President and family". www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/
ReplyDeleteInterpol has been asked to help arrest the thugs.
One day a President, next day a thug! Perception and reality.
ICan
Happy DOW 12k everyone!
ReplyDeleteSo what will Fed say that we already don't know?
ReplyDeleteThat they'll keep rates low forever....!
ICan
The Fed will not ever get out until it's "too late", meaning until they've created another disaster that eventually blows up, once they start feverishly raising rates again.
ReplyDeleteDid the O-man's SOTU last night ring the bell? Probably not, but would be interesting if he did. He did, after all, apparently mention the "stock market" rally in his speech as justification the economy is in recovery.
ReplyDelete@Mannwich:
ReplyDeleteJim Grant on Bloomie confirmed my suspicion. The money that the Fed's printing is ending up in the coffers of foreign banks, and he's thinking it's mostly European banks.
I dunno. Is he a space shot? Or is that the plan to reinforce the Euro?
Rock - Brilliant post today!
ReplyDelete@WolfStreet
ReplyDeleteYes, X is up. Their earnings were less worse than expected. Certainly a reason to pop.
From
http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/25/steel-stocks-earnings-us-steel-ak-steel-marketnewsvideo.html?feed=rss_home
"US Steel posted a narrower fourth-quarter loss today, or $249 million, or $1.74 per share, compared to a loss of $267 million, or $1.86 per share, in the same quarter last year."
I don't think that's a stretch at this point. Everyone in global "extend & pretend" mode because they know if anything falls apart along the daisy chain, we all go down with it.
ReplyDeleteNew home sales numbers the highest since April. . . yet prices are still falling.
ReplyDeleteThank you Rock
ReplyDeleteWell will see if today makes an important top or negate that and breaks 130.
Dan
Pretty harsh, yet realistic article.
ReplyDeleteThe Super Rich at Davos: 40 years of disaster
Commentary: Income gap peaking; crash, revolution dead ahead
AN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Davos. Swiss Alps. Annual meeting of the notorious World Economic Forum. Invitation-only club for the Super Rich and friends since 1971. Feel-good mantra: “Committed to improving the state of the world.” But they’re failing. In 40 years the Haves got richer. Have-nots got shafted. Something’s terribly wrong. When it comes to global economics, Davos is a disaster.
Why? Inside Davos is a secret society, a Conspiracy of the Super Rich, more than half the 2,500 attending the event. They’ve got trillions. And it’s not enough. Right now, many are cruising to Davos at 50,000 feet, enjoying caviar, foie gras, filet mignon and Dom Perignon in the comfort of their tax-exempt Gulfstream 5 jets.
Manny
ReplyDeleteRegarding your comment last night brought me back the old saying "We stand 7 meals away from revolution"
I mean people can take a lot of crap from governments but when food is an issue is game over.
The tunisian guy that set himself ablaze was unemployed, that didn't tip him over.
But when the police confiscated his produce told them that he couldn't have a chance to put food in his family table, so there's nothing left, game over, just blind fury then.
Dan
@Thor,
ReplyDeleteFor those who deny that there is a conspiracy by those at the top to remain at the top, Davos proves them wrong.
40 years of "committed to improving the state of THEIR world".
Not anyone elses.
Totally agree, Dastro. That's the final straw.
ReplyDeleteGreat point, Denise. So true. Isn't that obvious by now? It's about improving the state of "THEIR WORLD". Not everyone else's.
ReplyDeleteWe sound like a bunch of Socialists. Or at the very least, pseudo communists - heehee :P
ReplyDeleteLooks like they're shutting down the protests in Egypt pretty hard. In typical US fashion though, we're keeping our mouths shut on the desire for freedom by the Egyptian people. No use in rocking the apple cart when the strong man in power now does what we want him to.
ReplyDeleteSo sad, Egypt has always been the cultural and political leader in the Arab world, they've ceded that role to Saudi Arabia over the last 30 years and look where it's got us.
@Thor,
ReplyDeleteThat's pinko commie Marxist Nazi un-American socialist, if you don't mind. Get it straight.
And we all think alike, remember, no thinking or speaking without consulting one another.
@Thor,
ReplyDeleteYou know, if the free market, deregulation, and corporations don't need to be regulated because they will always do the right thing, were so fucking great, why didn't it save us from this meltdown?
Why hasn't it saved the middle class?
Why has it created the an economy where the bulk of the wealth that was created in the past thirty years has gone to the rich and powerful?
Why so many poor, homeless, unemployed if this free market of the past 30 years was supposed to cure everything?
Who benefited and who did not?
Obviously, the free market parasites know the answer, it did exactly what it was designed to do, which was to make them filthy rich via the largest wealth transfer in history.
If protesting against this makes me a socialist, then so be it, as capitalism sure has not worked for the vast majority of Americans.
"Tunisia seeks arrest of fugitive billionaire in Montreal". www.theglobeandmail.com
ReplyDelete"Ottawa is asked to freeze family's assets here".
Leila Trabelsi - former President Ben Ali's billionaire sister accused of fraud.
I wonder how many such rats are in Emerging markets.
ICan
About to hit 1,300. How long before we breach the '07 highs?
ReplyDelete@I Can: I'm sure quite a few. They likely learned from the best (or worst) of them in the developed world.
ReplyDeleteDenise - I have to admit, I'm a little unclear as to O's new "let's get rid of regulations" so businesses can grow. There are SOME regulations that are good. I certainly don't want to go back to the days of rampant environmental pollution. I grew up a block away from the San Francisco Bay and I remember how filthy the bay used to be, it not only smelled like feces all the time, but it was filled with garbage. I remember the air pollution as well, never being able to see the hills on the other side of the bay. I remember going to the coast for a field trip in the first grade and the park ranger who conducted our tour of the beach telling us about Brown Pelicans and how they were going extinct because of DDT poisoning.
ReplyDeleteI don't' want those environmental regulations done away with and I don't like the rights false choice between economic growth and responsible regulations.
I'm also more than a little confused about this new "let's reduce taxes for businesses so they can grow". Who exactly is going to pay taxes then? If we keep lowering taxes on BOTH corporations AND individuals, how will anything get done?
ReplyDeleteHey, I'm all for cutting taxes, and even more for trying to balance our runaway budgets, but we have to have a realistic discussion about what cutting those taxes and balancing that budget is going to mean. This false promise that if we just keep lowering taxes on everything it will eventually result in economic growth and prosperity for everyone is getting more than a little stale. We're not going to be able to cut all these minor things, lower taxes, and expect things will get better. We're eventually going to have to have a serious discussion about the money we continue to spend on Defense, with these two meaningless wars at the top of that list.
Let's also have a discussion about ending all the corporate welfare we have in this country. Subsidies for movie studios to film in certain locations, subsidies to millionaire corn farmers. Community Redevelopment agencies, on and on and on.
Stop asking questions that make sense, Thor. Just go with the damn flow!
ReplyDeleteI have an idea - why not end our military adventures overseas? That would likely save us billions, maybe even trillions of dollars, no?
Coach to Move Production From China
ReplyDeleteProduction moving back to the West? Maybe there's some truth in this "reindustrialization" thingie?
...
Leather-goods maker Coach Inc. plans to gradually move some production out of China, where labor costs are rising, and into lower-cost countries, such as India and Vietnam.
...or not.
Rock - I'm moving the scheduled time that my posts are put up - moving it from 4AM to 2AM so that you don't always have to post stuff in the previous days thread. I know the time difference can be frustrating :-/
ReplyDeleteManny - Have been a firm believer in that for a LONG time. Close ALL the military bases outside the US. It's time to come home, we were never the kind of nation that got involved in the rest of the worlds nonsense, that changed after WWII and I think it's high time to change it back. Let the rest of the world police itself for a change. Let them all start paying for their own defense.
ReplyDelete@Wolfie: The next "developing" nation for manufacturing to move will be Mars.
ReplyDelete@Thor,
ReplyDeleteI changed my time to 1:00 am. After 11:00 cst we can go to the next day's post.
Denise - awesome, thought that might help Rock out, he's on almost opposite time from the rest of us so this way his late night (for us) comments will go in the following days thread.
ReplyDelete@Manny,
ReplyDeleteThose wars of choice have now cost us more than one trillion and counting. Imagine taking that and putting against our debt rather than using it to blow up two countries, tens of thousands of people, and putting money into the pockets of war profiteers by the billions.
Can't afford to give Granny Social Security, and Medicare, but we can afford the gigantic defense budgets.
ReplyDeleteThor,
ReplyDeleteLet's just do it. We should have done it a long time ago.
Rock and Wolfie,
ReplyDeleteSorry for the inconvenience.
Ok so what time EST will be the earliest for me to post?
ReplyDeleteDan
DSS
ReplyDelete11 cst is midnight est, so are we set at that time then?
Dan,
ReplyDeleteComments slow down after 10:00 cst, (or earlier) so in order to be more flexible and accommodate everyone I think it would be ok to post the next day's stuff anytime after that. No need to be too rigid on time for posting.
Is that ok with everyone? Any other suggestions?
"Metro Vancouver resale price indicates seller's market". Vancouver Sun.
ReplyDeleteGo figure!
Another headline from the same paper -
"Want Vancouver's home prices to look cheap? Compare them to Hong Kong".
We all who is proping Vancouver market.
ICan
Denise - Yes, that works for me. I picked 2:00am arbitrarily but I normally have my posts ready before 11PST which would be 2:00am EST
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, no need to be too rigid, if people can't get their posts done before the next morning then that's totally fine. No pressure.
ReplyDeleteDSS
ReplyDeleteGoog so I will start posting before or after 10 pm cst= 11 on the east coast.
Dan
I meant good
ReplyDeleteDan,
ReplyDeleteWhat ever works with your schedule the best. We are thrilled to have your posts no matter what time!
Thor
ReplyDeleteYes, just to make it more convenient for everybody if possible of course.
Oh is fine with me at 11pm as it was at 4 am.
ReplyDeleteI thought that it wasn't possible to make it easear for Rock and Wolfie because of the time zones.
To me, honestly is even better too that way.
Dan
@Jeff,
ReplyDeleteAbout crooks in Ems amassing and looting people-
Politicians( at all levels from the village level to the very top), Judiciary, administrators(at all levels), Police(at all levels). Before globalization, most coveted jobs were political, administrative, judiciary, and police in India. Anywhere you can lay your hands on people's money. Even medical - you can charge whatever you want - Doctors have been know to do unnecessary operations, charge people fees at govt. hospitals.
We see politicians and police/admin people visit Canada under the cover of family/personal visits - most of them are money launderers.
ICan
Slow day for an FOMC day. Some movement in the metals, energy, bonds, and grains.
ReplyDeleteThis is interesting:
ReplyDeleteA look at past tops in the market
@Rock, WS
ReplyDeleteAnother China Bear? George Friedman on Yahoo tech-ticker
"Geroge Friedman:The China 'Miracle' is a Mirage".
George Friedman of STRATFOR.
ICan
ICan, and everyone else. I subscribe to Stratfor - can't post this article here in the blog, but I'll be more than happy to email it to anyone who wants to read it. If you'd like it, let me know.
ReplyDelete@All:ok for the new schedule.
ReplyDeleteOooh - maybe not, that's from his next book "The Next Decade".
ReplyDeleteGoing to have to pick that up, I'd read his last book and it was very very good.
Thor
ReplyDeleteWould you mind sending it to me too?
Thank you
Dan
Dan - here's a link to the article the reference came from
ReplyDeletehttp://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/535854/George-Friedman%3A-The-China-Miracle-Is-a-Mirage
Ok.Thank you
ReplyDeleteThks for the link I Can. I don't know about this Friedman, but Thor seems to have interests in his works, so it may prove an interesting take on China.
ReplyDeleteI put it on my "read it later" list.(or "watch it later" for that matter)
@WS,
ReplyDeleteKnow about Friedman through John Mauldin's weekly free letter.
ICan
Friedman runs Stratfor -
ReplyDeleteSTRATFOR’s global team of intelligence professionals provides an audience of decision-makers and sophisticated news consumers in the U.S. and around the world with unique insights into political, economic, and military developments. The company uses human intelligence and other sources combined with powerful analysis based on geopolitics to produce penetrating explanations of world events. This independent, non-ideological content enables users not only to better understand international events, but also to reduce risks and identify opportunities in every region of the globe.
iCan - I would say Friedman is a better forecaster than Mauldin, by far. Stratfor is heavier on world politics and strategy though - less so on economics. I find their analysis on world events superior to just about anything else. But it's not free unfortunately.
@Rock,
ReplyDeleteLook at SU.to. Close to 52-week high. Gained over 3% today. Is this stock also, "buy the rumor, sell the news"? Just like C.
Disc. I own it and am thinking of selling.
ICan
@Wolfie,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the "read it later" link. I have been looking for that type of thing and forgot what it was called.
Kerosene black market in India is "HUMUNGOUS" according to the Times of India newspaper. I don't usually read it because it's a national paper- like the NYT. But today being a holiday in India, I thought I'd check it out.
ReplyDeleteThe first news I read is of kerosene mafia -
"A Rs 10,000 CR. Kerosene black market killed Yeshwant Sonawant". Law enforcement officer killed by fuel mafia.
As most necessities are susidised by the govt., koresene is also sold at the govt. owned depots at a set price. But most of it never reaches the end users. It is instead pilfered and sold in the black market for a price that's two or three times higher.
"MOST (LAW) ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MAKE PEACE WITH FUEL MAFFIA and get some crumbs from the them", but Yeshwant Sonawant tried to stop this lucrative illegal trade and paid with his life.
Lot of this Govt. subsidised oil is summugled to Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, and used for adulteration of diesel and lubricants by truckers.
Now I know why my parents weren't able to buy kerosene in India (in a small town) last year.
So hard to change a corrupt system! The PM and and a handful of central govt. ministers are trying.
ICan
Hah! Can you imagine trying to get something like this passed in the US today?
ReplyDeleteAustralia floods: PM Julia Gillard unveils new tax
Horsham, Australia, 18 January The floods will cost A$5.6bn in reconstruction, the PM says
Continue reading the main story
Australia floods
Australia's Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced a new tax to help pay for devastating floods that she says will cost A$5.6bn ($5.6bn; £3.5bn) in reconstruction.
ICan - that's nuts - is that kind of corruption common in India?
ReplyDeleteFascinating to watch the relationship between Michele Bachmann and the MSM. It's almost as if they're trying to build her up to take the Sara Palin spot once ADD America moves it's attention away.
ReplyDelete@Denise:if you use firefox, you may be interested in integrating readitlater to your browser through the readitlater addon. Also exists for Google Chrome IIRC. Don't know if it's available for that other browser from Microsoft,you know... er... what was its name again?:p
ReplyDeletereaditlater is one of the few addons I can't live without. Even more so is the addon for Delicious, to centralize and organize your bookmarks by tags.
ReplyDeleteThe future of Delicious is uncertain though, since it was unfortunate enough to be bought by Yahoo, which is now willing to resell it.