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Wednesday, January 19, 2011

Volume is the Key

I don’t know if it’s an asset class, but I’ve been studying volume and volume changes (or volatility) for more than a year now. After watching the plays in volume, I would like to tell you some information I’ve discovered, and conclusions I’ve reached. You might want to use this information, or not.

1. Big boys play in one day, and in as short a time as possible in that day. The good ones use their HFTs or hire HFTs to observe and gauge the volumes at or near the point they wish to make a trade. The bad ones just make the trade through brokers. So on the charts below, I will show you where a huge trade moves the market, and where a huge trade does not. The reason they make the play as fast as possible is because observers and small traders see huge volume spikes, and either short or long and enjoy the ride on the big play. These small traders also cause the market to move, costing the big trader more money.

2. Big boys hate to make trades, because of the cost of making the trade. Remember, we get to remove the cost of our trade when we calculate the profit/loss. But the big boys don’t. Their costs include the brokers’ fees, as well as the stock price move during the trade, both of which directly affect their bottom line. So they hate to be wrong. When they’re wrong, you will often see them appear on Bloomberg or Money, in order to play their agenda and move their position, probably so they can get out. Usually not so they can get in, because that would be a warning and traders would listen. I saw one come on Betty Liu’s show, and she ripped him a new one. I was proud of her. (As an aside, the next day and for the following week, she was missing with no “I’ll be out and xxx is taking my place” announcement, so she could have gotten a week off to think about it, or it could have been a vacation. I’d love to know which.)

3. Big boys are more often right than wrong. When stocks that are at a high, with high stochastics and outperforming the market % gain show a big volume sell, most of the time the stock goes significantly down in price over the next quarter. Conversely, when the stock is at a low, with low stochastics and underperforming the market show a big volume buy, the stock goes significantly up in price over the next quarter.

4. Often, before a big buy or big sell, there is stock volume movement. Now, I’m not one to insinuate there might be insider trading, but you have to wonder why these larger-than-ordinary volumes appear just days or even hours before the large volume trade is made.

5. After a big buy or sell moves the market, there are often after-shocks where the price continues to move. It moves Fibonacci-like and can continue in the direction caused by the big trade, or can move in the opposite direction, as a recovery. I’m not sure why, but it may be because traders or bots consider things other than volume, and just continue and follow the money. In any case, putting market orders above and below the big move’s pricepoint will often catch the direction and this play can make some money. You simply cancel the market order which isn’t executed.

6. During earnings season, you will observe increased volatility. I am now studying the volume action for 5 days prior to the reporting. Again, looking for unusual volume action, under the supposition that there may be , um, some advanced warning given to some, um, special individuals, who, might, um, possibly, trade on that information, in possibly some significant volumes? Naw. Couldn’t ever happen. Could it.

Now, the charts. Yes, Rock’s giving you charts again. Sorry.

First, here's a big price move as we would expect with a big volume buy:



Now, here's a small price change, but again, huge volume:



Here's an aftershock where the stocs were low, but the stock had done a big move upwards. The Sell happened, and the aftershock continued:



And finally, here is an example of, um, maybe advanced warning there's gonna be a big buy. Note the volume increase 6 days before the big buy.

77 comments:

  1. OK, again I can't resist commenting first. I mean, Dastro got 120 comments yesterday. I better get busy.

    Anyway, consider this:

    http://www.americanbankingnews.com/2011/01/19/symantec-nasdaq-symc-upgraded-by-deutsche-bank-nyse-db-to-buy/

    Hmmmmm DB upgrades Symantec 7 days before earnings reports are out. You don't suppose DB has any insider information about Symantec's numbers, do you? I mean, if it were me, I'd wait until after earnings to make sure my upgrade/downgrade was accurate. I mean, how do you suppose it'd look to my boss if I upgraded and the company pooed the bed? No bonus check for me this year.

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  2. @Rock,

    Thanks for the post! I have to study it to comment. Back later.

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  3. If you think your comment was trapped in spam just leave a comment so that one of us can look and post it ASAP. Otherwise it might be days before anyone sees it there.

    Or, we could make you an admin and you would have the ability to release it yourself. In order to do that you would have to give us a gmail address so we could send you the invitation.

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  4. @Dss:

    I know you know this, but just in case you don't, Yahoo has a real nice "who's reporting" website at

    http://biz.yahoo.com/research/earncal/today.html

    I almost always exit my positions at reporting. On rare occasions will I keep holding. I try to preserve my capital. I've been absolutely sure a company's report will be positive, and it is, and the stock plummets. No telling. so I just get out.

    This year I'm planning to short X at their report, but I'm going to watch the volume action before the report is issued to look for confirmation.

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  5. Thanks, Rock. I do use that site when I am looking for earnings dates. Very useful. Not much of an individual stock trader these days so I am not always aware of big reporting days. Not so plugged in after the long weekend, too.

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  6. I am going to put it on the Trading Links, too, so it will be easy to access for anyone interested.

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  7. A down day? Could this actually be a down day?

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  8. Morning all! Great post Rock, reading now . .

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  9. No Denise. Don't be silly. No more down days allowed. Ever. Again.

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  10. Saw 3.19 at a neighborhood gas station yesterday. Up from 3.04 in less than two weeks.

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  11. A little bit of profit taking, finally.

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  12. Manny - seeing that here too. Stable the last couple weeks though

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  13. Until and unless someone comes up with Nuclear Fusion alternative energy, coal is king.

    "Coal is the future, and Alberta is the laboratory". http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/commentary/neil-reynolds/

    China and India NEED energy!

    ICan

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  14. Rock
    Lol.
    To me seems like people comment as a way to put the mental image of me commiting all the lacerations that I inflict to the English language as far away as soon as possible.
    Dan

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  15. Thanks, Rock for your post. Volume should be a part of everyone's analysis.

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  16. Not good making casual comments. Most of the time don't have what to say, but we can reach 200 easily.
    Of course then you have to read all of them.
    Dan

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  17. @Rock,

    Volume on C trade was something else yesterday. Pigs get slaughtered!

    Re, ARMH and GS

    "65 times Forward Earnings for Arm Holdings(ARMH)?. No problem says Goldman Sachs. Buy". via Trader Mark -fundmymutualfund.com

    Another one from same site -"Tom Demark - Stocks Near Significant Top".

    ICan

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  18. S&P stopped just shy of the important 1300.00 big round number.

    Nasdaq composite is just shy of it's 2007 highs.

    The market needs a breather plus they know if they breach those highs a buying stampede would ensue from the breakouts. The market needs to consolidate and digest the gains, at least, or maybe we might get a much anticipated pull back here.

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  19. We won't know if this is a top for many weeks if not months. But many internals and indicators are suggesting that the market is extremely over bought.

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  20. Awesome post Rock.

    How do you determine which stocks to look into for this phenomena? Do you have a list of stocks you follow regularly? Or do you do a search on stocks with recent large purchases?

    Have you found that this is fairly consistent? Or does the moves up after a large purchase something that happens only occasionally?

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  21. Not breaking S&P ema(6) 1285.91. Ema(13) 1278.

    ICan

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  22. Store House of InformationJanuary 19, 2011 at 11:59 AM

    Rock Thank you for taking the time to put that together, explain what you are seeing and how you are seeing it.

    I also very much appreciate you letting us make up our own minds on what this important information means to our trading style.

    You sir are a store house of useful information.

    Mutt

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  23. Lacerating the Enlish LanguageJanuary 19, 2011 at 12:09 PM

    Dan - My wife speaks both Spanish and Enlish better then I do...Well I only speak English and that is not to good.

    Spanish is her primary language, but if I do not know how to spell a word, I will ask her and she will know. I can understand Spanish pretty well but speaking it, not so well.

    I do not think most people understand that even when someone has a good grasp of a foreign language, there can still be cutural cues that are hard to pick up on and having a good understandin of both the language and culturer is not an easy thing to do.

    With that being said, sometimes the words you use cause me to re-read what you are saying, but it is ALWAYS worth re-reading and allows me a better glimps at your thought process.

    Learning a second language is not easy, but trying to understand a second cutlure is even more difficult.

    My hat is off to you man, not just for you learning what you have been able to, but also for sharing it with us.

    Mangy Mutt

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  24. Mutt & Dan - My New Years resolution was to finally get off my ass and learn Spanish. Unforgivable that I haven't learned by now, my closest friends at work all speak Spanish, half my neighbors speak it and I have friends down in Argentina as well. Lazy American :-)

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  25. Denise - One of the first things I read when learning about the markets, is a theory that states, if the stock market goes up enuff the rest of the economy will improve with it.

    I also read that Ben Bernanke was a "Student" of the Great Depression and that he believes in the above theory.

    Now I admitiedly know far less then I think I know and that is VERY little.

    But had I understood better what the theory and BB desire for it to be true meant, I would be a rich man today.

    We are at a make or break point in the market and I believe too many powerful people have too much riding on the market continuing up. I believe there will be a battle across the 1300 line, but we will make it and the market will continue it's relentless climb up.

    Then about 1400-1500 things will loose their momentum and everything will unfortunatly crash back down.

    But seriously do not listen to me, cuz I REALLY REALLY have no clue what I am talking about.

    Mutt

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  26. Great post on Apple's earnings and the earnings "game"

    APPLE MAKES A MOCKERY OF THE SYSTEM – AGAIN….
    18 January 2011 by Cullen Roche 28 Comments

    It’s really not shocking that small investors believe Wall Street is a rigged game. There is, perhaps, no better example of this than Apple’s quarterly report. For anyone who isn’t familiar with how the game works I’ll break it down for you. Apple provides an outlook for the upcoming quarter. They set these figures WELL below expectations with the knowledge that they will soundly crush those figures. The analysts, all of whom rely on being able to “sell” Apple want to stay in management’s good graces. This is important because Apple is widely held by most of their clients. For instance, there isn’t a huge hedge fund on Wall Street that doesn’t own Apple. So, the research firms (which are supposedly independent of their sales and trading arms) are incentivized to ensure that Apple stock continues to rise and perform “better than expected”. The pay-off of course, comes in the form of millions in commission dollars.

    This quarter was another sign of the ridiculous lack of value that Wall Street’s “best minds” add. Apple smashed their absurd estimates. Sadly, bloggers provide a better analysis of Apple’s quarterly data than the Wall Street analysts do. It’s not surprising that the investment blogosphere is quickly turning into the preferred place for honest and reliable research.

    http://pragcap.com/apple-makes-a-mockery-of-the-system-again

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  27. Mutt - I'm more in line with your targets, although I do think that we will see new market highs for both the DOW and S&P before this is finished. Creating, if you will, a nice head and shoulders going back over a decade.

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  28. Thor - Como Esta Friolles, That is How you BEAN in Spanish...Bahahahahahaha, ok it wasn't funny :(

    I don't know if it so much being a lazy American as much as that is what our culture dictates.

    Many other cultures have more than one language and Americans fight learning other languages so they can be different - Yea, being different by being the same, NOW that's American -

    I applaude you for wanting to learn and in my humble oppinion the best way to learn is live it every day, force yourself to be with people who only speak spanish, turn your radio on to a Spanish station and eat lots of tacos...Ok maybe eating lots of tacos wont actually help you learn to speak Spanish, but they are yummy :)

    Mutt

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  29. Mutt - Yeah, I don't really feel TOO bad about it. It's not really an American thing either, more of an English Language thing. The British, Canadians, Australians, Irish, etc, aren't much better than we are when it comes to learning a second language.

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  30. Anyone having problems commenting?

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  31. Oh, somebody fixed the router, and IIIIIIIIII'mmmmm Baaaaaaaack!!!! Blogger was down for me for awhile.

    @Thor:
    I use TDAmeritrade as my broker, and they supply a software trading tool called StrategyDesk. I use that tool. Dss sent me a link on another tool that I've watched some YouTube training on, and I will try that. But anyway, this tool lets me set up a screener. I have one screener for large volume plays which scans for the following criteria:
    1. Volume > 1MM per week
    2. Price * Daily volume > 250,000,000
    3. Today's volume > the last 3 days' average volume
    And as a list of stocks to screen, I use the Amex, NYSE, and NASDAQ tickers.

    The screen takes about 30mins - 1 hr to run depending on the time of day. It runs in the background.

    I save the results in one of the StrategyDesk charts so I can get a graph of their performance at any time.

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  32. Exactly Thor. That would be called "sandbagging", I believe. Apple isn't the only company that plays these games but they do it as well or better than anyon else (Just like their products AND marketing! Go figure!)

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  33. A lot of red on my screen lately. Market showing some weakness here? Maybe a little?

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  34. Oh absolutely

    Sometimes I'm being mock about the "Royal we".
    It's not because I was tortured by a british teacher during my childhood and teenage years as I wrongly assumed; is because a word has to carry a substantial part of the meaning that I try to convey when I talk, and even more so when I write.
    Being a second language means a split second vacillating due to the use of a second circuitry in my brain meaning that in order to overcome that defficiency I present things in packets of information clearly delimited in words.

    The lack of nuance in wording is more pronounced so I like to laugh considering myself a caveman who needs a clearly define instrument (one word) to carry meaning.

    If I'm not present witnessing a conversation picking up body language, is just amusing the things that I create in my brain when couple people are talking "slang".

    The decoding is more "hectic" as a whole when for instance lots of offs ups and ons are added to the wording and then instantly changing the meaning of what I was processing and then rushing to assign new meaning.
    So yes, if you use slang I'm lost.

    I like to say that I have a very good sense of humor...in spanish.

    Metaphors are created by a twist in the way words are presented generating a new meaning and a "joke" results, well that is hard to catch at least for me in english and is a breeze in spanish.

    So I start developing fondness for the word fucking because creates contrast.And somehow creates a "relaxing" effect in an otherwise stiff use of the language.

    Dan

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  35. @Thor
    I find the performance of stocks after a huge 1/4Billion buy/sell remarkably consistent.

    For example, if there's a 1/4B$ buy (more buyers than sellers, moving the price upwards) when the price action is already high (the Stochastics are overbought), that means the BigBoys have decided this is a winner and enter the position for at least a quarter. Almost always, I see the price action higher (remember the price action has to be adjusted by the market action, so I use relative strength of the rpice action based on the S&P 500, as opposed to the price action based on the stock's listing index (QQQQ, IWM, etc).

    In almost every case, the price action of the 1/4B buy has exceeded the price action of the S&P over the quarter.

    In the case of FDO above, the Stocs were low (they were rising and recovering, but that was tracking the market, remember, which was also going higher) and the big sell happened. Most often, the stock will continue downward after the sell. But look at V, when the big sell on Dec 17th happened, the stocs were high, the big sell happened, and the stock continued to rise.

    I got in after V's big sell, and I set my stop on V and got out on the first lower low. I got out of my short on FDO at 43.39, when I didn't see a lower low, and it started up, the relative strength was .01 above the S&P. I don't stay short in a recovering stock.

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  36. re Denise on spam from previous SPAM: thanks for the info. I understand there's no configuration possible on your part, and you can't do anything about it.

    Maybe this filter only applies to anonymous users, not logged in users. Has any fellow here ever got its comment locked into spam while logged in?

    I'll try to post under my google account from now on, and see if it does fix the problem.

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  37. "Goldman Sachs fourth-quarter profits slide" Hey Lloyd, is that the signal or what ? Can't remember the signal for going full short ..sheesh.

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  38. Wolfie - I've never been able to figure out what really causes the SPAM fiter to kick in and grab posts :-/ The only thing I've managed to figure out is that the longer the comment is, usually the more likely it will trigger the SPAM filter. It definitely picks up on the anonymous comments though - that's probably by design I'd imagine - most of the SPAM that comes in is from anons.

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  39. @Mutt

    You're welcome. Hope this helps make you money.

    I know information on this blog has helped me.

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  40. I should need to read poetry to develop some metaphor literacy ;)

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  41. @Dastro:
    I wish I spoke a second language well. Sunday I was at the wet market and said something in mandarin to the Chicken Lady, and the woman customer standing next to me turned sideways and slapped my face, then walked away.

    I still don't know what I said.

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  42. Wolfie
    I never got trapped in spam but I never comment as anon either.
    Dan

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  43. Rock
    Is not what you said, it's just what you thought.

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  44. Dastro re: you're 1:14 - fascinating way to look at dual language systems in the brain. Do you still think in Spanish? Or are you split now? What do you dream in?

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  45. @Wolfie,

    The spam filter does seem to favor those anons, but plenty of us gmail logged in posters get put into spam, too. As I said, if you want an invitation to become an admin just let us know.

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  46. @Thor:
    Also, on FDO (I didn't play this one) there was a Big Buy on Sept 29 (notice the stock price didn't move on the 380MM buy) and the stock outperformed the S&P by about 2% until about Dec 1. That was when the BigBoys decided to exit, wated for an upswing in price until the reversal on Jan 4, and then dumped.

    Only my theory on their thinking. With the observation of the Big Sell.

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  47. I think in English most of the time.Specially if I'm addressing someone who speaks English.

    But way too often I talk to someone in Spanish and I found myself translating my thinking from English back to Spanish, with the unintended consequence of looking mildly impaired in Spanish too now.Lol.
    Dan

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  48. Rock - How often to Asain ladies get to haul off and hit an American?

    Probably not often, she just saw her oppertunity and took it.

    I wish I was there to watch it though :)

    Mutt

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  49. @Dastro:
    How did you know?

    BTW, at Rock's age, he's lucky he even still gets the thought.......

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  50. Internal dialogues are in English but sometimes in Spanish particularly the parts that require and acceptable command of insults for example I switch to Spanish for that and then proceed with English like before. All in the name of expediency I guess.

    I very very rarely remember a dream.And are more images than dialogues.

    Dan

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  51. @Mutt:

    the word "geo" as in "geothermal" has 4 characters, each having 4 tones, giving it 16 meanings. I know 8 of them. Musta been one of the other 8....

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  52. A great program I use for all kinds of analysis, daily data only, is TeleChart by Worden.

    I have used this software for more than ten years, it is fairly inexpensive $269 per year (when you purchase two years) plus a 14 day free trial.

    It is by far the best tool for analyzing stocks, ETFs, Indexes, Morningstar Industry Groups and Worden Market Indicators that I have ever seen.

    There are many preset screens, and from there you can build simple or complex screens. Rock's screen would take one mouse click, and one second to perform.

    One of the best functions is the Custom Date Sort which is what I used yesterday to figure out in less than 5 seconds how much AAPL appreciated. I use this to determine RS by percent. i.e., how much has AAPL gone up from 12/1/97 to today. Or you can input any time frame.

    This program has so many neat features that I can not begin to quantify. I keep watch lists of everything under the sun, manipulate them using dozens of variables, and the best part is that it is FAST!

    The program is very intuitive, doesn't take long to figure out at all, and they have so many webinars that it is difficult to chose which ones to do. I just love this program and could not be successful without it.

    Worden - Telechart

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  53. Dan – When I attempt to speak in Spanish, I end up spending more time trying to formulate the sentence then actually saying anything.

    One of the difficulties I have with Spanish is there are different respect levels, meaning I would/could talk to you differently then I would your parents. But in English there is no defined respect level, I would address your parents the same way I would address you.

    Then there is that cultural thing, what is funny (or not) or wont get your face slapped in one language, may not be funny or leave you with finger prints on your cheek in another.

    My wife thinks in English now, but part of that is being immersed in and English speaking society.

    Mutt

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  54. Rock
    Because women are more developed than us.They have intuition so most often than not they realize what we are up to.
    Dan

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  55. It is one of those programs that makes you a better investor or trader because it allows you to organize your portfolio, or potential candidates, analyze the data using your own criteria (or theirs), and is super fast, most screens are a click and literally one second. Updating daily takes a few minutes, and it back fills.

    Great, great program.

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  56. Rock – My son’s grandmother is from Loasia and Ming is her primary language (Don’t even ask me how, my son can have a Mexican mother a Loasian Grandmother and a white father, but it happened)

    One of the cultural differences (at least from how I see it) is American’s tend to be more reserved in social gatherings. When we go over to grandma’s house for Ox tail soap, she will invite her friends over and they will talk in Ming – I have absolutely no clue what they are saying.

    She has tried to teach me a few words, but there are very suddle voice inflection or tone differences that my ears can not pick up on.

    I don’t even try to follow along anymore.

    Mutt

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  57. Mutt

    True, this is something that I found here when I had the chance to talk with spanish speaking people, and because is not very often I didn't get familiarized to that traits. So I still notice them.

    In Argentina the language got influenced huguely by italian descendants (biggest group) so that is somehow lost, and being kids we laugh at spaniards for the funny way they talk.

    Lots of spanish speaking guys here still use that spaniard way to talk with someone that they are unfamiliar with.
    Dan

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  58. Look at how far DXY has tumbled!

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  59. Why aren't Stocks upJanuary 19, 2011 at 3:04 PM

    Thor - In the past year or so it has seemed like everytime the dollar goes down, the stocks go up.

    What gives this time?

    Mutt

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  60. Anon - wonder if that GS profit decline is something we should keep an eye on.

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  61. @I-Man.

    If you are still reading this blog -

    Martin Armstrong: $5000 gold is conservative.

    http://www.moneytalks.net

    ICan

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  62. Manny - Looks like we're going to try to steal your football team for our new stadium. Is that a good thing for LA? :-)

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/01/aeg-pitches-nfl-stadium-convention-center-expansion-to-city-council-committee.html

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  63. @Thor: Depends on who's paying for the stadium. Probably just an extortion ploy by the NFL to get we suckers, I mean, taxpayers to pay for a new stadium here for the Vikigns.

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  64. Manny - Hah, look at this. . .

    I won't point out the hilarity of the following statement.

    AEG's plans for a privately financed $1-billion, 64,000-seat stadium include the need for $350 million in city-approved bonds, which Leiweke said would be repaid with a seat tax, "the same thing we do at Staples," he said. He said any shortfall will be paid off by AEG.

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  65. Perfect trend day down today which the sagging internals was predicting.

    Corn had an outside down day, possibly a key reversal.

    March Corn

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  66. Also, the Russell 2000 was down on the day yesterday while everything else was rallying and it really got smashed today, down 2.56% vs. 1.00% for the S&P and 1.46 for the Nasdaq.

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  67. It remains to be seen if this is just a one and done or if this is the start of a meaningful correction.

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  68. FFIV down 30% after hours. Can't get a good chart to link to. Was 139 now trading @107.82

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  69. No need, Thor. The hilarity is self-evident.

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  70. Need I remind everyone I had a hunch this was going to be the week for a long overdue correction?

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  71. Looks that way! Good call Manny!

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