Households Doubling Up
In February, after being evicted from their Gainesville apartment, Holly, James, Madison and their good-natured pit bull, Caley, moved into a cramped bedroom in the house where Holly grew up. Neither of Madison's parents had been able to find work for more than a year.
Of the myriad ways the Great Recession has altered the country's social fabric, the surge in households like the Maggis', where relatives and friends have moved in together as a last resort, is one of the most concrete, yet underexplored, demographic shifts.
Immigration Slowing
Census Bureau data released in September showed that the number of multifamily households jumped 11.7 percent from 2008 to 2010, reaching 15.5 million, or 13.2 percent of all households. It is the highest proportion since at least 1968, accounting for 54 million people.
Census Bureau data released in September showed that the number of multifamily households jumped 11.7 percent from 2008 to 2010, reaching 15.5 million, or 13.2 percent of all households. It is the highest proportion since at least 1968, accounting for 54 million people.
http://teachingwithdata.blogspot.com/2010/09/illegal-immigration-slowing-quickly.html
The Pew Hispanic Center, a non-partisan research organization, says that the number of illegal immigrants living in the United States is down about 900,000 from 12 million to 11.1 million, though the population is hard to estimate. This two-year trend marks the first statistically significant decline in the undocumented population in the last twenty years. The annual inflow is down more sharply: from a peak of 850,00 per year at the beginning of the decade to around 200,000 per year for the period of the study -- March 2007 to March 2009. The decline in illegal immigration was most notable from Central and South American countries other than Mexico.
CBs ignoring inflation everywhere. Food and fuel inflation for sure.
ReplyDeleteECB, BOC leave rates unchanged. Australia and India will have to hike rates to control food inflation. PPI came in better than expected.
Screw the savers! That's people like my parents.
ICan
There are no good-natured pit bulls.....
ReplyDeleteI am expecting another move by China/India very soon.
@Everybody,
ReplyDeleteWhere art thou?
Market boring eh?
Will see what happen today.
ReplyDeleteGood luck everybody in their endeavours and as an open and public space I feel the need to enphazise that well, we are an open space.
Not belonging to anyone as long we are courteous to each other in our dissent.My hand in frienship is and it was always extended.
I went Traders Anonymous to read the comments from aug 31 to sep 4 to have an idea about what it really matters.Honest opinions is what counts to me.Good luck.
Dan
anon(10:00)
ReplyDeleteLB,
????
Morning all! Slow start this morning
ReplyDeleteDan - What a nice thing to say! :-) I feel the same way. We have a good little thing going here, I'm proud of all of us!
ReplyDeleteMore on inflation -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a2aa510a-1e89-11e0-87d2-00144feab49a.html#axzz1AvtJRPge
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The world has moved a step closer to a food price shock after the US government surprised traders by cutting stock forecasts for key crops, sending corn and soyabean prices to their highest level in 30 months.
The price jump comes after the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation warned last week that the world could see repetition of the 2008 food crisis if prices rose further. The trend is becoming a major concern in developing countries.
From marketwatch.com
ReplyDelete"Trichet says ECB wathing inflation".
"Dollar under pressure after jobless claims".
Meanwhile little NML.TO rises almost everyday.
ICan
Morning. Slow start, indeed, Thor.
ReplyDelete@Thor
ReplyDeleteI heard a term today I think you'll like.
It's Screwflation.
Makes sense to me.
Rock - hah, I like it! What's it mean? Inflation in the things you need?
ReplyDelete@Rock,
ReplyDeleteSo Cobra made another good call in last night's post,"Short-Term: Could see some weakness tomorrow morning at least". He is based in China(Hong Kong?).
Barry's sell half - ?
ICan
Caveat Emptor -
ReplyDeleteNo one is 100% right, ever. That's ESP! LoL
ICan
@I Can,
ReplyDeleteWho is Cobra?
The Euro is on another tear today, along with oil and the 10y have rallied as well.
ReplyDelete30 year auction 1:00 et.
Tomorrow has a lot of numbers,
ReplyDeleteCPI, Retail Sales, Consumer Confidence.
Denise - So there are lots of numbers tomorrow, COOL.
ReplyDeleteThis means the market goes up right? :)
I kind of have the feeling everything makes the market go up.
Mutt
@Thor,
ReplyDeleteGreat post today, and so timely.
I think many families have had to double up, like it or not, or be homeless.
The immigration numbers prove that they come here illegally to work, and will go back home when there is no work. The fact that the USA has no credible system to check for citizenship and that businesses like the really cheap labor means that this trend will be reversed once the economy starts growing again.
@Mutt,
ReplyDeleteThe market is going up until it doesn't. That is the secret to everything.
Thor - Those are fairly significant numbers, just over 2 million more house holds sharing resource, minus almost 1 million illegals who are no longer looking for housing.
ReplyDeleteWe currently have a glut of houses on the market and an uncountable number of houses waited to be forclosed on and that is not even taking into concideration all the people who will eventually stop paying their morgtages and end up loosing their houses.
Personally I do not see housing recovering for quite some time and if housing is part of the back bone of our economy, that means the economy will be weak until housing starts to turn around.
But hey we are going to get some numbers, so it the market will go up and everything will be ok.
Mutt
Denise - yup, totally agree. We need to remember that immigration policy in this country is controlled by business, not immigrants and their families.
ReplyDeleteI wish the idiots in the MSM would do a better job at shining the spotlights where they would do the most good. Can't upset the corporate overlords though.
That Lou Dobbs controversy a few months ago was a classic example.
Mutt - yup yup! As sad as it is to see how this is going to affect housing (and the economy) over the long term, I think it's high time we move beyond our obsession with the Nuclear Family. We'd all be better served by this I think - families helping each other out. It's one of the things my grandparents always looked back fondly to when it came to The Depression, how everyone came together to help each other out.
ReplyDeleteDenise - I hear you there, I went long yesterday (After the bump up) I waited until Monday and it did not look to good so Tuesday I was going to enter but we had that afternoon decline. And even though you explained how and why that was not an actual correction, I still waited....
ReplyDeleteOh well I missed out on the initial move up, but it sure beats waiting for this thing to actually correct it's self.
And the pressure is up and with the FED throwing money all over the place and HFT and other silliness, might as well hold my nose and go long.
Like you said it will go up until it doesn't, I am hear to learn and if I keep waiting for what I want to see, I will never learn.
Mutt
@dss,
ReplyDeleteCobrasblog -
http://cobrasmarketview.blogspot.com
Some commenters post charts all day.
ICan
Another good question, if we are such terrible economic straits, why is the price of gasoline still going up? Why is oil going up? I just paid $3.25 to fill the tank.
ReplyDeleteShall we link that that site?
ReplyDeleteVXX made another new low, QQQQ, IWM (Russel 2000) have made new highs, but S&P and DJ-30 are lagging.
ReplyDeleteI hear some "head of something or other investment" company going on about oil prices today - saying it was because of all the "oil shocks" from the last year and not "investing in capacity when prices were low". Oil shocks? You mean we're delayed 9 months from the oil spill in the Gulf? Really? She sounded like a shill for the oil companies. Boggles the mind that people this dense are running things in a lot of companies.
ReplyDeleteOne of the things that has always bothered me is how freely social services are given to illegals.
ReplyDeleteFood stamps, child care, medical, emegency funds with no questions asked about citizenship, they just need to show up at the welfare office.
They then take the lower paying jobs, because well they don't need to buy food or health care or other things. Basicially the tax payer is subsudizing their lower wage jobs.
The job market is drying up and that has forced appx 1,000,000 to not take the risk of illegally coming over.
Wait until the social services start to dry up and there is no longer a pay check just for being here.
Don't get me wrong I am all for immigration as that has what has helped to made our country great, but I am against subsudized programs that encourage illegal imigration.
Mutt
MRK -6.73% and AA - 3.08% are holding the DJIA down.
ReplyDeleteGold and Silver down, too.
ReplyDelete@dss,
ReplyDeletebetter than trader Mike. New posts are rare.
Thanks
ICan
Ok, I will put it on the trading links.
ReplyDeleteI love the "For those of you who can read Simplified Chinese, you may read the detailed daily summary..."
ReplyDeleteCorn and Soybeans going out of their minds...
ReplyDeleteNew Tick lows, ticks went lower than yesterday's lows which can be a temporary bearish signal.
ReplyDeleteMuni bond index MUB is closing on the lows of December.
ReplyDeleteIn the broader sense we are still consolidating the break out from yesterday.
ReplyDeleteNow is your time, Mutt.
ReplyDeleteLooks like oil is going to climb all the way back up to 100 sometime soon
ReplyDeleteHomelessness in the Middle Class - Stable Families Reduced to Poverty
ReplyDeleteMore on life in America today. And how big are the bonuses on Wall Street?
@Dss
ReplyDeleteCobra's site is quite good. You have to study it for a long time in order to get it, but I use it as an indicator now.
ICan introduced me to it.
I-Man
ReplyDeleteWelcome sir. My egalitarian sense tells me to just give I-Man exactly the same posting privileges that everybody else has, right now on the spot.
Not as a way to force to post (is his decision only) but as a way to make him feel home.
Dan
And everyone else who feels comfortable around here.
ReplyDeleteAnd just move on.
Posting privileges, no es necessario...
ReplyDeleteBut thanks for the love.
Pretty sure this is a solid pivot low we got here on dow/ym, just throwing the Mutt a bone.
Good luck all,
-I
I-Man, I just wish learning this market stuff was as easy as learning how to color, cuz I can almost stay in the lines now....Almost....
ReplyDeleteMutt
I'm sure he's going to love it.
ReplyDeleteWill see this last hour how it moves.
Dan
Afternoon all! Busy morning. Interesting that unemployment claims kicked up. A result of thousands of crappy temp holiday jobs ending perhaps?
ReplyDeleteAhh...
ReplyDeleteI see you are onto the Sun, Dan...
Dastro, and everyone,
ReplyDeleteI-Man has had posting privileges almost since day one on this new AT. He graciously accepted the invitation to be an admin in our first week or so, IIRC, and we also extended admin/posting privileges to Leftback and Mutt who did not accept the invitations. Might be someone else whom we asked so in case I forgot someone sorry about that.
If someone wants posting/admin privileges they only need to ask.
As Dan said, we are all equals here and so far it has worked very well.
I should also add that with extending posting privileges we extend admin privileges at the same time. I-Man has both.
ReplyDeleteGlad to see you, I-Man!
And welcome, Lurkers!
I think I'm pretty much in Edward Harrison's camp here.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/01/cautiously-optimistic-into-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-488255
Thank you Denise.
ReplyDeleteHope Ben stops by but I know he can not post (conflict of interests).
@ I-Man
Yes I do astrology to try to understand this crazy beast. The sun moon and planets.
Dan
Dan,
ReplyDeleteIf you want to see who has admin/posting privileges you can do so by clicking on design, then settings, permissions.
@Dan,
ReplyDeleteSorry, I misspoke. I just looked and I-Man doesn't have admin privileges, but I just gave them to him.
Thank you, thank you very much Denise, appreciated
ReplyDelete@ Dan
ReplyDeleteUniversal circuitry.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteEveryone is welcome to stop by, read, or comment as long as they are here to respectfully add to the conversation.
There are plenty of ways to voice disagreement or add a voice of dissent without resorting to personal attacks, gratuitous slurs, or other disrespectful comments.
We have had our share of stalkers who only wish to stir up trouble, insult our people and then go back where they came from to engage in more personal attacks against our people.
I wish that we could all get along but as we all know that is not reality in the blogosphere where so many blogs have had to resort to moderated comments because of the intent to disrupt by a few bad apples.
Now that we are into our third month I think that things have calmed down and we have a nice place because of everyone who contributes here.
@Dan,
ReplyDeleteI should clarify that I-Man has had posting privileges since the first week, and now he has admin privileges, as well.
Yes
ReplyDeleteAs above below.A fractal view at things.
If things follow rules in heaven sure down here happens the same, the challenge is getting it at least for me in a timely manner.How they respond here these unruly markets.What instruments to use instead follow just news in MSM.
Dan
The market is still consolidating the gains from yesterday even though oil as sold off a bit. Euro still holding to it's gains.
ReplyDeleteGold has now reversed and is back below it's yesterday's break out place, and on the low of the day.
ReplyDeleteThank you again Denise and I'm in 100% agreement to what you just say, for the record.
ReplyDeleteNot trashing this, our space as we don't do it in anyone else place and everybody happy.
Dan
Can't we all just get along.
ReplyDeleteI loved it when he said that.
Denise well said, life if what it is and we never know where all the bridges we need to cross are.
That is why I have never been into bridge burning, but sometimes it happens and that is part of life.
I wish Cvienne the best of luck with whatever he does although I do not agree with everything he has to say or how he has said it, I do not believe his meant to or intended to burn any bridges. He is who he is.
With that said, I agree 100% with your (Denise) statement about discussions. Even if I strongly disagree with the premise someone lays out, if it is respectful I am all for it. And just because I do not agree does not mean I have the right to disrespect someone else point of view.
You all better agree with me on that or you are a bunch of mean'O poopy heads =)
mangy mutt
Well our company is certainly doing it's part to stimulate the economy in 2011. We're already hired 10 people with 6 more coming next week and 6 the week after.
ReplyDeleteSurreal to have worked for a company expanding the way ours has over the last four years while the rest of the economy suffers :-/
The muni market has been taking a beating the past week or so, is there a major municipal default coming?
ReplyDelete@Thor,
ReplyDeleteIs it just your company or is the LA area doing better? I know that there are pocket of strength, like Denver that are in much better shape than other cities.
@Thor: Culturally, it kidn of speaks to level of interest in health & fitness by some really focused (and possibly vain?) people! ;-)
ReplyDeleteSo many extremes in this country. Good for biz, I guess.
Denise - Good question, I don't know :-) I follow real estate development in Hollywood fairly closely but nothing much else locally.
ReplyDeleteHollywood continues it's gentrification, I'm surprised at how much has been approved considering the overall economy, but I guess there's a lot of money to be made redeveloping the area more heavily for tourism.
One of these days I'll have to do a post on it, it's pretty fascinating stuff to watch, that's for sure.
As for the rest of the economy, well, traffic is just as bad as it ever was. . .
Manny - sort of - most of the people who buy our products are people needing to lose a lot of weight, rather than the already fit crowd you might expect with P90X. They only represent a very small percentage of our total sales apparently.
ReplyDeleteThe way they explain our sales strength to us in company meetings is that 1. we're counter cyclical, so the worse the economy does, usually the better we do - more people stay at home and watch TV because they're either unemployed or cutting back on going out, so the more people who watch TV, the more people see our commercials and buy our stuff. Also, the worse the economy does, the more people will cancel the gym membership and try the work-out at home stuff that we sell.
@Thor: Really? That surprises me a little. I kind of thought most would be people that are already in somewhat decent (or not horrible) shape but just want to kick up their routines a bit. I say this because the P90x isn't really for ideal for someone who's morbidly overweight, since it's a really tough, challenging regimine, right? I would think that those truly overweight would be better starting more slowly. Would seem like a healthier way so they don't hurt themselves or simply lose interest right off the bat.....but you'd know better than me as someone who works there. Surprises me a bit.
ReplyDelete@Thor: The countercyclicality of it makes a lot of sense though. My gym, after the BCBS kick-back for going 12 times a month is only $20 a month and I'd hate to spend more than that, even though most of our friends pay at least $80-$120/month for their memberships as the full health clubs. I just can't stomach paying that kind of money for a gym membership unless I plan to basically live there or hang around a lot, which I don't do. Within the last six weeks, I've started mixing some yoga into the routine with my wife, and I really like it a lot.
ReplyDelete@ Dan
ReplyDeleteGann.
In Du Page county where I live the unemployment rate went from 9.5 1/1/10 to 7.1 11/1/10.
ReplyDeleteThat is a huge decrease and is reflected in the new businesses in town, homes that sat for years have been sold (at huge discounts) and things are looking better.
In Cook county, the story is much bleaker, but still improved.
11.7 1/1/10
9.4 11/1/10
I am not sure how much of the improvement is people leaving the labor force and how much is due to real hiring.
If there has been hiring then the tax revenues should help the state's finances.
Of course, the stock market is up 14.1% since 12/31/09.
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't know how many jobs were due to the stimulus.
There are new restaurants popping up everywhere around my area. At 7% unemployment, things aren't so bad in relative sense here but it's still very uneven overall.
ReplyDeleteManny - I know! I was surprised when they told me that. Having worked here for four years though, it makes total sense. What it is though, is that folks who are in better shape, people who go to the gym a lot, know how hard P90X is if you really do it right. People who don't work out, or have never worked out, are of the mistaken opinion that they'll be able to do it in no time. Not realizing that if you have a lot of weight to lose, you're going to have to do P90X (or the new one, Insanity) a few times before you've both lost the weight, and are ready to start adding back muscle.
ReplyDelete@Thor: If that's true, then I'll bet most of these people eventually drop the P90x and stop working out altogether. If one is obese and never exercises, the exact wrong thing to do is to start an intense regimen right off that bat. It will be too hard and they won't stick with it, and over the longer term it will probably disillusion many more, who will give up go back to even unhealthier habits. So much "all or nothing" in this country. The obese shouldn't be worrying about 6-pack abs, they need to just worry about getting off the couch and eating decent food!
ReplyDeleteI-Man
ReplyDeleteGood call on the pivot today.The 30 min chart looks like 3 white soldiers, unbelievable.
Gann: Not too familiar with him but is good to have your point of view on his approach and make some kind of map when both views coincide, oppose or are not correlated and the effect on the market in such different instances.
Dan
Meant the 15 min chart.
ReplyDeleteI can see the appeal of it though. In the end, in comparison to buying an elliptical or exercise bike or weight machine, it's a small risk (about $100, right?) so if they drop it they won't feel as bad. It's a pretty brilliant concept when you think about it. Love the simplicity of it.
ReplyDeleteManny - totally agree, unfortunately Americans prefer the quick fix. Can't tell the guy who's 100 pounds overweight that he's too fat and out of shape to do P90X and that he should choose one of the easier programs and spend the next year dieting and exercising and getting into the kind of shape that a program like P90X really requires. Hell, look at how huge the lap band has become! No one wants to wait for anything anymore. :-/
ReplyDeleteOk Jan6 was my first target for a correction it fall a little, but then reverse couple days ago.
ReplyDeleteSecond option yesterday and extended to today but weaker than the Jan 6 correction was a joke.
Got spy puts at 3:59 as a hedge, but back to the drawing board.See what brings JPM tomorrow now.
I'm out.
Dan
Thor – Just over 3 months ago I started the P90x, in the mean time I hurt my back (From a previous injury) for three weeks, then came down with a nasty flu another three weeks out.
ReplyDeleteI have always tried to maintain my shape, but as I get older and sit behind a desk more it becomes difficult to find the time especially shuttling the young one around after school.
The first 45 days on the program I saw some pretty decent result, then on day 45, I tweaked my back. That did not stop me, but sure slowed me down, it took just over three weeks before I felt comfortable going all out again, then just before Christmas (Which would have been about day 90) I came down with the flu, joints aching, nasty cough and felt just plain miserable and completely stopped working out for almost 3 weeks. Last week I started up again.
During those down times, I was able to maintain the initial weigh loss, but did not make any further inroads.
So far I am happy with the results and believe they could have been much better had I not run into problems, but what I think is a major problem for many people, is like you say, instant gratification. Most people do not seem to realize it took them years to get all round and out of shape and think that they should see results in just a couple weeks, in the mean time, the will satisfy their hard work with jelly donut, because they believe they earned it after such a hard work out.
People want instant results without having to put the effort into it.
All in all I think it is a good program and have made the conscious decision to get up an extra hour earlier everyday to do it and closely watch what I eat.
However I do not believe most people need a program like that if they only took the time to be consistant in caring for their bodies, but if a program like P90x is the motivation (like me) they need then it is money well spent.
But DAMNIT why don’t I look like Brad Pitt yet….
Mangy Mutt
@Mutt,
ReplyDeleteI think also a big factor is the fact that when people are so out of shape the task is daunting, it might take months if not more than one year to get back into shape and then the rest of their lives trying to stay there.
Looking ahead and seeing years of denial and hard work is depressing, pass the donuts!
Disclaimer:
ReplyDeleteI do not eat donuts.
Trying to get into shape is what keeps me riding my bike, and going on bicycle trips. Sure is hard in the winter but we walk when we can and work out with weights also. Working in my gardens also keeps me in good form during the better weather.
ReplyDelete@ Dan
ReplyDeleteEmail me sometime, and I will give you a few things that will be right up your alley.
You were very close with Jan 6... but of course, depends on what you're looking at.
All the timing work that I do is off the mini dow futures, and occasionally the ES.
File this under "Idiot of the Day":
ReplyDeleteNew Jersey Slashes Bond Sale after Christie's New Jersey Bankrupt Comments
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has learned that talking about state insolvency may have a cost.
About 20 minutes after Christie, 48, told a town-hall meeting in Paramus today that health-care costs “will bankrupt” the state, the New Jersey Economic Development Authority cut its tax-exempt school-related bond offering by more than half to $712.3 million.
Denise - GUILTY!! of that :(
ReplyDeleteI agree, that people just do not realize it will take longer then they think it should.
What I tried to lay out above is, even though I had good initial results there were two times when the workout process came to a stand still and either time it would have been easy to not restart.
I think often times people will say to themselves "I did not get the results I wanted, when I wanted them, so it wasn't worth it"
So what if things take twice/three times as long as we expected as long as we are moving in a possitive direction.
Now where did you hide that chocolate cheeze cake?
Mutt
Mutt - I didn't know you were doing P90X - good for you! Sorry you had to break it up the way you did.
ReplyDeleteIt's all about the diet really. I was going to be a part of one of the new infomercials we're working on - one focused on Abs and changed my mind when I saw the diet restrictions.
Also, everyone responds different to both workouts and exercise. I'm lucky in that I think I'm part gorilla and muscle up pretty quick when I work out regularly. I can also gain and lose weight pretty fast which is nice when you're trying to bulk up for size and then cut down for definition.
I turn 40 this year so am about to start a pretty serious diet and exercise regime. Want to be in tip top shape for the big day in November :-)
So, dss @ 5.10n when you call Chris Christie an Idiot for something he's said or done, does that mean its ok for someone else to call Krugman an Idiot for something he writes? How 'bout BO?
ReplyDeleteOr, is this just a forum where it's ok to call republicans idiots?
You've been discussing how warm and hospitable this "family" is and how it's all very "civil."
Is it ok to call any politician an "idiot" here?
Chet - get lost. No one cares.
ReplyDeleteWow - Intel had yet another record profit.
ReplyDeleteAnon (6:01) – It comes down to common sense, is it fair for me to say Barak Obama is an Idiot?
ReplyDeleteDid he say he has been to all 57 states?
Yes, he did.
Do we have 57 states?
No we don’t.
Was that an idiotic statement he made, IMHO, yes, does making that statement make him an idiot… Well who knows?
Your question is rhetorical and only poised to insight people, do I think that is idiotic – yes, do most of the people here think that is idiotic, probably, does that make you an idiot? Who knows?
Would it be fair for me to call you an idiot? No it would not.
In my humble opinion you are trying to pick a speck out of someone else’s eye, yet ignoring the rock that is in yours.
You are throwing out the entire pot of soup because one fly landed in it.
You are cutting off the hand because of a splinter.
If you think Denise was wrong in calling this guy an idiot, thank you for doing so, but to do it for the soul purpose of stirring the pot is well....idiotic.
There is no way to explain it any further, I honestly do not know how.
So let me ask you a rhetorical question – Why did you ask Denise this question and would anything she answered statified you?
Mangy Mutt
@Anon,
ReplyDeleteYes, we regularly call out idiots of all persuasions when they do idiotic things, including anonymous posters such as yourself.
Obama, Clinton, and others have received their share of scorn as well. It's just that the right has so much idiocy that it is difficult not to stumble over something new everyday.
Summers, Emmanuel, Geithner, Rubin, Paulson, etc. all Democrats to name a few, have been criticized again and again here as well as many of Obama's policies and style of governing.
But hey, never let the facts get in the way of an attempt to stir up trouble, right?
i.e., Sarah Palin (R-Idiot) took the cake yesterday on the day of the Memorial Service to play the victim and use some anti-Semitic "Blood Libel" rhetoric. Way to go, Sarah, it's all about you! Frankly, it is difficult to ignore such idiocy.
We are warm and hospitable to everyone of our commentators who deserves it, and it is very civil which is a totally different issue than the honest criticism of public officials, so please stop trying to conflate the two.
Criticizing a public official is a right that all of us have under the 1st amendment, can I help it if the right is a gift that keeps on giving? Lock and Load! Second Amendment Solution! Bulls Eyes on Democratic congressmen. The list is endless.
When a tone deaf moron like Christie shoots his mouth off about New Jersey going bankrupt during the time when bond issues for his state are being marketed to the public should we applaud him?
Sarah Palin (R-Idiot) -
ReplyDeleteI'm stealing that FYI
I don't care what you guys say about Sarah Palin's intelligence, she still has nice boobies.
ReplyDeleteMutt
Mutt,
ReplyDeleteGood points.
As if they ever had one good thing to say about Democrats or us as a group. EVER.
The hypocrisy is breathtaking, but predictable.
We are not perfect here by a long shot, but at least we don't anonymously go over to his house and shit on the floor, again and again and again.
Again, the stalker analogy is so apt. You would think just after the massacre by a stalker they would have the decency to lay low.
Dan - Have you seen this?
ReplyDeletehttp://io9.com/5733004/your-zodiac-sign-may-have-changed-this-week
@Thor,
ReplyDeleteIt is like a party game:
Mitch McConnell, (R-Cabbage Patch)
Tom DeLay (R-Convicted Felon)
Insert your own insult.
"Why your Zodiac sign might have changed".
ReplyDeletehttp://wwww.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/why-your-zodiac-sign-might-have-changed/article1868349/
ICan
ICan - Jinx!
ReplyDelete@Thor(6:49)
ReplyDeleteI also thought of Dan when I read that.
ICan
anon-(6.01)-is it ok to call any politician an "idiot" here?
ReplyDeleteNo sir, no sir it is not. As the definition of an idiot clearly states someone having a mental age of less than 3 years old and an intelligence quotient under 25, and as most politicians clearly have a mental age of more than 3 years, and therefore only satisfy one of the determining factors, it is not appropriate.
@greg,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the correction, you are so right!
Goldbug should pay attention -
ReplyDeletehttp://danericselliotwaves.blogspot.com
Thursday, Jan. 13, 2011 post
Gold to drop back to $475(bear market target, although bounce should occur at $681).
???
ICan
Australia rebuilding after floods.
ReplyDelete"Brisbane faces 'postwar' scale rebuild". http://www.ft.com/home/us
No. It is not ok for you to stalk me or this website. You are a stalker, out to terrorize this blog with your rantings.
ReplyDeleteYou were warned once to stay away, and yet you still can't tear your miserable ass away.
What is wrong with you? Seriously, what is your problem that you cannot leave us alone?
Psychologists often group individuals who stalk into two categories: psychotic and nonpsychotic.[10] Stalkers may have pre-existing psychotic disorders such as delusional disorder, schizoaffective disorder, or schizophrenia. Most stalkers are nonpsychotic and may exhibit disorders or neuroses such as major depression, adjustment disorder, or substance dependence, as well as a variety of Axis II personality disorders (such as antisocial, avoidant, borderline, dependent, narcissistic, or paranoid). Some of the symptoms of "obsessing" over a person is part of obsessive compulsive personality disorder. The nonpsychotic stalkers' pursuit of victims can be influenced by various psychological factors, including anger, hostility, projection of blame, obsession, dependency, minimization, denial, and jealousy. Conversely, as is more commonly the case, the stalker has no antipathic feelings towards the victim, but simply a longing that cannot be fulfilled due to deficiencies either in their personality or their society's norms
ReplyDeleteIf you do not leave me alone or this blog alone I will report you to Blogger as a cyber stalker.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, I have saved the comments.
Anon - Pulling teeth would be more fun and productive then trying to discuss this with round about arguments that can not be answered.
ReplyDeleteBut being a patient man I will give it another try, so open wide cuz here come the pliers.
Lets start with your question about left wing ideolog, you ask "Would it be ok to ask that question here" - You just did, so it seems it is ok to ask.
Second I didn't see any statements to your original one that would indicate anyone here got their "Panties in a bunch"
It seems pretty clear that the majority of people here see things from a different perspective then you.
Not every question is an argument and not every argument is a question.
But if you want to try and ask rhetorical questions that have no answer only to see if you can get someone's panty in a bunch. Best of luck to ya.
It is plain and simple that your intent is not to enter dialog to increase understanding, but it is to try and inflame with non-sense, so again best of luck to you.
Damn pulling teeth is no fun :(
Mangy Mutt
I deleted his last comment but I have it saved at CA.
ReplyDeleteGoodness :-)
ReplyDeleteAs Mae West once said:
ReplyDelete"Goodness had nothing to do with it".
Hah, my kind of woman.
ReplyDelete@Mutt,
ReplyDeleteNo to worry. Someone is having a bad day, month or year and now wants to take it out on us. I guess that "Irrelevant Capital" was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Just my opinion, (but I am not going to rock the boat because we already have someone doing that)
ReplyDeleteBut I say for now, we let the comments (Unless they are personal attacks) stand.
I believe we are all adult enuff to see through the intent and meaning behind such non-sense.
Although I seriously doubt the poster will see his trivial attempts as non-sense, but it will give us something to laugh at.
There are my two pennies.
Mutt
@Mutt,
ReplyDeleteBy allowing the posts to stand you give the stalker a forum from which to say anything he pleases. Since I am the target of his rants I really do not want to give him that power over me.
Plainly and simply. As we know very well from past actions it is all about power and control. I will not cede control of this blog to a stalker, even for a few well deserved laughs.
I will not give him the power to come here, shit on the floor and leave the turd stinking up the joint. It is not funny, it is stalking.
We tried to be nice about it, tried to ignore him and he ramped up his insults. It didn't work. So I am going to delete his posts no matter how innocuous.
Mutt, sorry, but you don't give the stalker control and power over us. By leaving the comments stand that is exactly what we are doing.
He gets off on seeing his comments and our reaction to them. Well, it is time to take that away as he is obviously intent on disrupting our blog. No mas.
Denise - Understood and because I know there is no room to work with anon, you get no argument from me, I just thought I would throw out my opinion though.
ReplyDeleteMutt
@Mutt,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your thoughts. I understand where you are coming from and I am sorry that we have to be dealing once again with this.
Hey that reminds me, I think it's been a year since the sites more or less came about. Happy Anniversary everyone!
ReplyDeleteI'm proud of us! A LOT of people said this would never work, I think it works pretty damn well! You guys are the best!
ReplyDelete@Thor,
ReplyDeleteI love you, man!
We did make it work, and thank you to everyone who has stuck by us!
@Thor,
ReplyDeleteI think we don't say thank you enough to everyone here at Anonymous Traders. Thanks! We really appreciate you! It is hard to believe that it has been one year.
@Mutt,
ReplyDeleteAnd thanks for being our conscience, voice of reason and resident humorist!
Denise - Did you just say a mangy ass mutt was a voice of reason?
ReplyDeleteWhat has this world come to :)
Mutt
Im not for deletion either,unless of course for "illegal" content.
ReplyDelete@anon6:01 no,you can in fact call names on dems also on this blog.let me do it for you:Obama is a moron.as are all politicians,those immoral,selfish beasts.
There.see?