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Thursday, February 10, 2011

Thorsrockday Emerging Markets

I wrote this big long story, but I figure nobody wants to read all that, so to summarize, the economic cycles repeat themselves throughout history. And we have something we call “the market” which does not necessarily reflect economic cycles. I wrote a tribal anecdote about that, with Chiefs and Indians.

We seem to be nearing the top of a market cycle right now. And at the bottom of economic cycles in many parts of the world (I hope we’re at the bottom in the US, but I’m afraid that may not be the case). South Africa has a 24% unemployment rate. Jobs are at a premium in Europe, so companies like American Express can write their own ticket on where they want to have their central headquarters (AMEX is moving out of Spain and into the UK, for instance). Singapore offers the lowest tax rate of all if you move to Sing: 0% for years. The number of years is negotiable.

No wonder jobs moved away from the US. But that’s not emerging markets. The emerging markets are offering something they have, so inexpensively that nobody can turn it down. For example, Indonesia offers housing, 10K buys a 1600 sq. ft. place, and it’s an hour commute to Singapore or Johor Bahru. (In Singapore you’d pay at least 2 Million and maybe 4 Million for 1600 sq. ft.).

So the emerging markets are taking from the developed markets, which makes their percentages look great. And, because companies are moving to countries with low tax rates (the “emerging markets”) their reports show huge profits in these areas (like Google’s profits were reported from the Canaan Islands, and you and I both know GOOG is in Palo Alto).

So when an emerging market shows a downtrend, what does that mean? It means they don’t have what we (the developed economies) want or need. What does that mean? We (the developed economies) stop buying from the emerging markets, and we stop sending profits there.

The cause of the 2008 crash was not the banks, although it’s nice to point fingers there. It was building permits. New permits numbers dropped like a stone a couple months before the big 666 dive. People stopped buying. That’s what caused the crash.

Now look at Brazil. People are stopping buying. The EWZ is turning down. I have a chart here which overlays the Dow and the EWZ, which is interesting. When EWZ starts to decline, the DOW follows.

I’m not saying that will happen this time, but when people stop buying, the market falls. And it may be that we’re not buying as much from emerging markets. See if you can find evidence where the developed economies are not buying as much from the emerging markets.

(I was going to talk about inflation in emerging markets, but I’ve taken enough space already).

I am no longer as full of bull as I was before. When people stop buying, the market falls. Looking at RTH, and retailers reports, US consumers seem to be buying, and the savings rate is going down again, so it's as a result of spending their savings. Not good signs, because ultimately, that buying stops.

Here's the chart:

117 comments:

  1. Billionaire Ambani’s Wealth Eroded on ‘Panic’ Selling

    "“A series of completely baseless and motivated rumors have been spread today by our unscrupulous corporate rivals,” Reliance ADAG group said yesterday. “This has been accompanied by vicious and illegal bear hammering of our listed stocks, to create panic and destabilize the markets.”"

    I can't wait until India becomes the next 'China'.

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  2. "The cause of the 2008 crash was not the banks, although it’s nice to point fingers there. It was building permits. New permits numbers dropped like a stone a couple months before the big 666 dive. People stopped buying. That’s what caused the crash."

    It might be more precise to say that: "Everyone who ever wanted to buy a house was already long and 'in' the market."

    Permits were just a symptom of that phenomenon.

    But, your point is taken.

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  3. @Emmanuel

    Re that younger brother Ambani. He seems to have been in trouble for a while. Somewhere I read he was barred from trading or something similar. Don't follow them.

    It's been in the news for while.

    "India becomes the next China" ??

    ICan

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  4. @Rock,

    Russia higher while the rest of the Ems were down - I provided a link to Marc Faber video where he was touting Russia as a place to be, last week.

    Oil was up due to fear of Suez canal closure not that Egypt is an oil producer.

    ICan

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  5. @ICan

    Basically, the next target of investing hype.

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  6. @Thor,

    That chart of EWZ/Dow. Will Dow follow the Ems?

    ICan

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  7. @emmy,(9:53)

    Thanks.

    Congrats on your short. Look that FXI and EPI sell off.

    ICan

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  8. Cotton,

    Up again on USDA's prediction for next year.

    But I think cotton is over done. Only reason it has gome overboard is due to Pakistani floods.

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  9. Mubarak to speak within the hour. Vice President says he "may" step down.

    Morning all!

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  10. It it just me or has the MSM's coverage of Egypt waned, not because the story is necessarily over, but because they've gotten bored and need to move onto something else far more superficial? Our media (like many of our peeps) have the attention span of a child, it seems.

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  11. Rock,

    Excellent piece of GLOBAL analysis...

    If anyone is trying to trade anything, be it cotton, crude, or dowmini's... or stocks and etfs...

    If you aint considering the global dance of capital sloshing around the Earth, and its effects...

    You a dead mon walkin...

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  12. @Mannwich

    The regime has been cracking down on the foreign media and many of the foreign reporters have left the country to avoid being killed by pro-Mubarak mobs. It's understandable that there is some waning of coverage.

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  13. @I(10:54)

    Very good point. Which caught the likes my father and many of his generation off guard when money started to flood India in 2005. My father still doesn't really believe in the "Indian story".


    ICan

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  14. @Emmy,

    Hang Seng is not breaking, 22,600. So no trend change yet?

    ICan

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  15. Rock - Thank you very much for the insight and you laid it out in such a way that even someone like myself could understand.

    Mangy mutt

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  16. Good morning all. I see the beach ball trade is alive and well. We are just several points off the highs of 2/8 but it the market doesn't rally past yesterday's highs we will have a lower high and lower low on the daily.

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  17. Several of the emerging market charts jumped out at me last night while I was doing my homework.

    IFN, FXI, EWZ, and THD. As Rock mentioned, Brazil (EWZ) has been declining, but when IFN is already down almost 30% it makes you wonder.

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  18. Egypt ETF up 4% on Mubarak speculation

    BOSTON (MarketWatch) -- The Market Vectors Egypt Index ETF /quotes/comstock/13*!egpt/quotes/nls/egpt (EGPT 18.50, +0.78, +4.40%) was up nearly 4% in midday U.S. trading Thursday. Egypt's president, Hosni Mubarak, may step down Thursday evening, according to reports.

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  19. Mortgage rates back up to 5% as well.

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  20. Dastro – Congratulations to your Egyptian brothers and sisters, for finding the courage to finally stand up to the tyranny that has ruled their lives, their cultures and beliefs.

    I contend that, for most people, especially when it is what their cultural, a culture that has been beaten into their lives since birth, it is much easier to maintain and acclimate themselves to the ingrained beliefs, no matter how oppressive they may become.

    Individually we can all fight our daily battles with some stratification, but when it appears to be a single us against an invisible them, the task of making any meaningful change becomes nearly insurmountable and full of unseen dangers.

    My hat is off, to the Egyptian people for finally realizing enough is enough, for them unifying their individual battles of culture, into a mass of people that was able to not only bend but break the will of their oppressors. Not only were they able to come out on top they were able to stand together and expose the pro Mubarak supporters as the ones who were causing most of the violence.

    What changes actually take place and what those changes mean for the every day citizen of Egypt is unknown at this point, but they were able to overcome a cultural mindset that has been impregnated in them for generations and hopefully now they will start to see a better life for most if not all of the people they fought for.

    Congratulations, to all Egyptians everywhere.

    And here in America, the Justin Beadier movie comes out this weekend….

    Mangy Mutt

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  21. Thor,

    Murbarak's departure is no doubt forced, but who or what is going to fill the vacuum when he does leave?

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  22. @Mutt,

    Plus Lindsay Lohan was arrested for felony theft. We know what's important here in America!

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  23. Denise - Yeah, but she got out on 40K bail and was told "this is it" by the judge.

    Mubarak who? ;-)

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  24. Manny,

    Great chart of TLT by Corey at Afraid to Trade:

    Long Term Trendline Test in TLT

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  25. Great one, Denise. Thanks for sharing!

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  26. damn, if Mubarak doesn't step down tonight these folks in Tahrir Square are not going to be happy - watching AlJazeera footage of Tahrir Square, it's as if he's already stepped down.

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  27. Hey who did call it?

    WolfStreet: Just for the fun of predicting, let's say he goes next week.;)
    January 31, 2011 4:51 PM

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  28. Just for fun indeed. Maybe that's my lucky month?

    If so, one other call (which I'm no more confident into then the Muby one):
    Top for the year is coming very soon. Next stop: the WolfStreet Top© @1330.

    (doesn't hurt giving this little game a try :p lol).

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  29. Won't hurt me much if it breaks, since I'm not invested.

    If so, next stop will be Denise's @1375.

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  30. Oops my bad. Train stops by Manny's dead end station@1350 before that.Sry

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  31. Wolfstreet - My number is 1387

    Mutt

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  32. Wolfie, be sure to remind us when you are proven right or we will forget.

    1375, still a long way off but despite many signs of internal weakness, the market keeps going higher.

    We are one good buy program from taking out the highs of today so this afternoon will be crucial to see if we continue the rally.

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  33. @mutt: there you go then. good luck with that number;)

    @Denise:Wolfie, be sure to remind us when you are proven right or we will forget. Alright. Not that it will be much work for me.

    Reminding when I'm wrong on a call would be more heavier, probably would have to set up some automatic notifications system for that...

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  34. Thank you Mutt, we were unflinching in our commitment to bring the well deserved dignity among the concert of nations of our blessed land...because the land is our, and so the pyramids.
    And we will make pay to anyone...we will make pay to anyone a small fee (including Thor) for taking photograps, is our new business model for tourism.

    Now seriously the same way that people talk about bad cholesterol and the good one the same happens with narcissim in my view.

    Egipt is the bellwhether in the region.
    Social media, due to their growing up using it. allowed them to compare.

    You have poverty and the basic stuff for life is pretty much in doubt and the tunisians snap confronted their brutal regime and ousted him at least (Ben Ali).

    There national pride kick's in and they are winning, not sure if he is going to resign or risk more turmoil doing an about face yet.

    But people won doesn't matter how much it takes the found that for 80 million if they are galvanized the rulers are paper tigers.

    They realize that and they feel proud, so now are going to demand.
    Good for them.

    Dan

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  35. Wolfie - I keep dozens of calls different people make in my calendar. Shall I put yours in among the rest? ;-)

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  36. Oh wait - was that the 2011 prediction you made last month? Those are all kept track in the threads themselves.

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  37. Rock

    Exactly my friend the lack of compsumption brings the whole thing down.

    And to add insult to injury (mm...how about that one?) 2007 brought certainty among fat cat that no greater fools were coming because capsizing the immigration law meant that families with the intent to compensate partially the number of baby boomers heading to retirement, so that avenue get closed and the real state market notice it.
    Dan

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  38. Meant
    ...heading to retirement was not going to happen.

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  39. Make it Retroactive and DOUBLEFebruary 10, 2011 at 2:26 PM

    Dan - I am glad to hear you are doing well.

    If I may make a suggestion about charging tourists a fee for taking pictures. You should charge Thor Double...ehe make it triple and make it retroactive.

    Sorry Thor it sounds like you now owe Dastro a lot of money. But it's better that Dan has it, cuz you were going to lose it trading anyway :)

    Mangy Mutt

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  40. No brothers and sisters in Cairo will get it not in currency but species.
    He is sending an iPhone so he is solving the incident that...um...hastened his departure.
    Dan

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  41. Mutt - I'd be broke! I take a lot of pictures when I travel :-)

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  42. We have been consolidating in a tiny 4 point range (ES) since 10:00 this morning. We are very close to all time highs so I would not doubt we will see the market take out the highs soon.

    Buy program has been in place since they returned from lunch.

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  43. Why does it feel like stagflation is officially upon us? Or at least on the cusp of being upon us? Pre-stagflation, if you will.

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  44. From the guardian blog:

    "Information Minister is saying 'Mubarak is defenitely not' going to step down".

    Go figure. Sooooooooooooooooooo hard to give up kingly life. The old goat had it all figured out until Facebook and twitter ruined it.

    ICan

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  45. re Thor:yes the predictions I mentioned, mine included, are from the 2011 predictions post.

    Good to know you're keeping track of people's predictions. I guess most of them are public figures? May come handy when you want to update your trusted VIP traders/economists list.

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  46. @ICan

    Had a feeling he was going to do another U-turn at the last second.

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  47. Wolfie - Yes, most of them are big calls made by famous people, but some are also calls traders I follow make.

    I started doing this about a year ago to try to filter out the noise and who's calls to take with a grain of salt, who's to watch, and who's to dismiss out of hand.

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  48. ICan - It may be that the Information Minister is not among the groups who are making decisions about Mubarak's future. He may very well be one of the people that's being excluded because he's going to lose his job along with Mubarak. . .

    Of course, he could be right, which will be depressing :-(

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  49. @Thor: Bottom line is nobody know shit most of the time, but most especially now, as we're in unchartered waters. Yours truly not only included but at the head of that class.

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  50. Manny - That's true, and I guess is part of my education. When I started following the economy closely two years ago I assumed everyone who knew more about stocks or the economy than I did was someone to listen to. Now we all know that to be a silly assumption to have made. :-/

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  51. ICan - look at all those people in Tahrir Square! This is by far the biggest crowd I've seen so far. If he doesn't step down it's going to get really really ugly me thinks.

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  52. I did keep track of some here and there. Unfortunately for me, those were mostly "doom and gloom" predictions from 2009/2010. I didn't heed the bullish calls back then.

    Likewise that's the path my first ever (and last) porfolio took on that same period:doom and gloom... but hey:to me, that's the cost of learning.

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  53. Wolfie - Me too, as pissed as I was to lose all that money, I took it as the price of learning my lesson. Also lost it in the same way you did, endless calls of doom and gloom. Should have known that more often than not, the loudest voices are almost always wrong. People who know what they're talking about seldom make predictions about where they think things are going. Maybe because they know that nothing can ever be 100% assured?

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  54. Only been trading virtually since then. And mind you, I'm being more disciplined than when that was real money! Coz now, I know the taste of cold steel.

    Once I feel I'm ready, I'll be back for the second round, you can count on that;)

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  55. re Thor:"Maybe because they know that nothing can ever be 100% assured?"

    Yeah. Maybe also because they're buzy actually trading, while those we get to hear from are just buzy talking about it.

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  56. I haven't started trading again yet, have been so busy with work that I just don't have all that much uninterrupted time during market hours to devote to it.

    I did make some really good money off some investments in 2010 though, and that gold I bought in 2008 is doing well.

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  57. re Thor:good you're holding some gold:). My mother is looking for places to invest her money.

    Her banker got her into a life insurance last week. she's already made a handy -150 profits, which we assume is administrative fees.hehe..

    Some real metal would probably be a safer investment.

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  58. Manny said
    "...Bottom line is nobody know shit most of the time".

    Never truer words were spoken my virtual friend.

    And here is when the bad narcissism appears, as a way to try to block to the outside the bad calls but the purpose of convincing themselves that this is not happening, is just denial.Andd narcissism made as heavier and clumsier.
    Dan

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  59. WolfStreet said...

    re Thor:"Maybe because they know that nothing can ever be 100% assured?"

    Yeah. Maybe also because they're buzy actually trading, while those we get to hear from are just buzy talking about it.


    Quote of the week

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  60. @Thor,

    Looks like he's not leaving.

    ICan

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  61. @Dan,

    Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, as the old cliche goes.

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  62. Uh oh, I Can. Looks like things could get uglier before they get better. Amazing arrogance and hubris on his part. Breathtaking.

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  63. Last hour fake out break out. I guess that tomorrow might be a better day?

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  64. ICan - nope, sure doesn't does it :-(

    There have to be 2 million people in that square right now. Tomorrow is not going to be good.

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  65. Huge volume in the past 15 minutes.

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  66. Vix is sitting on the lows of the past four days. TLT is testing the lows, too.

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  67. Denise

    http://www.youtube.com/user/aljazeeraenglish?blend=1&ob=4

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  68. @Thor,

    F&*Ked up S*B. What a way to treat people. Look at the shoes in the air.

    ICan

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  69. I suspect that the last minute gyrations were related to Mubarak not stepping down.

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  70. Maybe mentioned before:heard that Mubarak's clan wealth is estimated at 70billion euros ($50 billions).

    No wonder he's postponing departure. You don't secure that much money overnight.;)

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  71. Wow, Thor, there are so many people in the square.

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  72. ICan - I'm seeing that! Held high on sticks. Have faith though my friend, I think each time he goes on TV it emboldens the protesters. Tomorrow is going to be a big day, after this let down people are going to be upset.

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  73. Predictions/forecasting is by its very nature kind of an ego trap.

    If you're right, you're an egotistical bitch for thinking you could predict the future.

    If you're wrong, you feel like an idiot.

    Also, every time and price squareout that I've been lucky enough to see in advance, it was just a pivot point in price and time... the outcome could have been different.

    Simply put, there are always two paths at every major fork in the road.

    I think its great to have foresight in trading, you have to have an idea of what you expect, or you're just reacting all the time.

    I have this debate with my mentor all the time at my firm...

    "Are you going to react, or predict?"

    My firm teaches that you only react. Let the market show its hand, and then you just tag along.

    Definitely a lot to be said for that mentality.

    It works.

    But it will not make you the best, if thats what you're after.

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  74. "We will be dignified until the very end" - Mubarak - according the guardian blog.

    What kind of dignity is that when your subjects are showing you shoes.

    Do some old people lose their heads -ability to reason?

    ICan

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  75. I-man

    The human nature force us (admittedly or not) to make predictions in order to trade envisioning what we expect.

    Because our cowardly nature facing the unknown.

    The day that all that fears are overcome someone becomes a great trader.

    Was able to disable the circuit of fear.

    I'm...um...still populating the ranks of the cowards I still see handy to have an idea of what's going to happen... :)

    Hope I'll become braver and a good trader.
    For now, I still enjoy astrology because gives me confidence to face the fight against fear, fear of the unknown.

    Maybe I should read more of that great poet Donnald Rumsfeld.
    Dan

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  76. re IMan: not claiming to synthesis your whole theory. But one prominent element that I gather from it is akin to the "calling a top" vs "following the trend" dilemma ?

    If I got you right, then many people here agree with you: more often than not, you'll get killed trying to trade a pivot (bottom or top). Actually, maybe not even sustainable for a trader.

    Correctly spotting a new trend about to gain traction is better practice.

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  77. Yes prediction are an ego trap.

    The whole point with astrology to me is increasingly get removed from the process.

    My opinions and common sense and stellar logic, as time progresses count less and less.

    My objective is using it as a mechanic tool where my opinion is discarded.

    That's why I still think that this goes up. Is not my opinion at all.If it's for me I would be really bearish from a common sense point of view.

    If I mentioned that this goes up is because astrology tells me that.

    The fact of not write down anything (among other reasons)is a way to force myself to develop mastery in all of this.

    Is like mastery playing guitar after a while all the papers become worthless and someone through practice is starting to know what is he/she doing.

    Is to develop more and more through observation for years that there's something out there making moves that my small brain can't even fathom.
    Dan

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  78. Off to bed, with a good book on my favourite investment:computer programming.

    Night all, or good evening for that matter;)

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  79. @ WS

    I think there is a perfect harmony of top/bottom calling, and trend following.

    To only adhere to one, is to limit yourself I think.

    But hey, if you're making money, then you're doing something right.

    That is the ultimate judge.

    Mastering one or the other can get you to a point where you dont lose money more than you make it. I would call getting there the 10%...

    Mastering both will put you in the 1%...

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  80. Obviously, I am not all the way to 10% yet... but crawl, walk, run.

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  81. @I-Man,

    What's your experience of the I. Knowledge(bookish) or wisdom(experience)?


    ICan

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  82. I-Man

    Hope you don't read anything negtive in that. Because my own quest in life is that. If you don't want to answer, I can understand.


    ICan

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  83. And that is my idea of developing an edge, because just reacting is for great traders and maybe I wont reach that point.

    Sometimes I think that being put to play against computers they are going to kick my ass.

    So trying to be entrepreneurial here pushed me into the idea that computers don't have a sense of the future and common sense and understanding of passions.
    They can react to future scenarios for sure (thousands of them) but still they don't have knowledge to predict them because they are programmed by illogical creatures that they don't know how illogical they are.

    And narcissim prevents humans most of the time to realize that.Huge blind spot, we keep telling ourselves that markets are rationals like we all are, well that happens only to a point,and computers don't know how to read all of that.

    Not having common sense prevents them to fathom consequences after certain point.If it's bearable for humans or not an episode for instance, they just trade until unplugged.

    Humans are not efficient that's why happened the flash crash (a guy pressing the wrong key drove them crazy)computers didn't know how to read fear in that human, recognize it and calm him down :) they just reacted logically.

    They don't know about our second circuit because most of the time we even didn't know or acknowlegde it and don't know how it operates inside of us and that govern our actions most of the time. because is a source of embarrassment for us so it can't go to a computer software, the shame of not being rational beings stays only among us, we don't tell them.

    They can only react efficiently, but still is going to appear a guy check them out an unplug them because they went bonkers.

    They didn't go bonkers they are just logic because humans "teach" them to be only logic. And there's another realm that represents say 80% of human life that is not logic and that is not put into a software.

    So of course only great traders know to just only react but if I'm not one of them I'd like a plan B.

    Very good thoughts I-Man

    Dan

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  84. I-Man - what's this firm you're talking about?

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  85. I will also say that the experience of learning to trade has been the most painful thing I have endured in life to this point.

    I lost a lot of money trying to trade my way to financial freedom.

    I've quit two nice paying jobs to try and trade on my own, and failed once, almost failed twice...

    But I think I've got enough of it figured out to make a very modest living once I cover my costs, bills, etc.

    Thats good enough for now.


    Back to the pain, I dont think its totally necessary. There are individuals and firms out there that will teach people to trade with way less pain than I inflicted on myself with no one to guide I really. From their perspective, they prefer training people who have never traded before.

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  86. That would make sense - I would imagine more experienced traders would be harder to train as they don't have bad trading habits that need to be unlearned.

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  87. I-Man

    I'm not familiar at all with your area.

    People teaching you charge you money?
    You trade their money while thay teach you?
    or you trade your money and they charge you?

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  88. "It is impossible for a man to begin to learn that which he thinks he already knows."
    Epictetus, 50 AD

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  89. At my firm, you pay a tuition, about $2000.

    That allows you to access web based training modules. As you progress through the modules, you begin trading in realtime on the real platform the real guys trade on, but in simulation mode. There is always access to your trainer on IM throughout the day.

    There are a series of lessons you have to complete, and then levels of competence you must illustrate, basically, you must make money and not do dumb shit; before you can trade with real money. Even once you start real money you are only trading 1 mini contract, and one market before you can trade in more size or in more markets. The guy who started the firm is the boss, and he wrote all the software we use.

    When you move to live trading you split your profits 60/40 with the firm, net of your expenses, (commissions, tech fee's, etc.) Your losses are absorbed by the firm, but excessive bad performance is extremely frowned upon. Extremely frowned upon.

    There is a lot of structure. I spent the better part of 6 months "unlearning" a lot of what I thought I knew about my trading skills, and my emotional maturity, psychological and spiritual health, etc.

    Its been humbling, and still is, every day. But it is a tremendous opportunity if you can make it work.

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  90. I'd say more, but I gotta protect I and I privacy. If its something anyone is interested in, a simple GOOG search of "proprietary futures trading" or "forex trading", will give you plenty of leads.

    But they must be willing to train you, if they are just requiring an account deposit, and then throw you to the wolves its borderline criminal... those are the firms that give this business a bad name.

    There are a lot of shady prop firms for sure. I corresponded with these folks for almost a year before I decided it was legit.

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  91. I-Man - that sounds very cool! Congratulations to you for going on your own as well, I'll bet that's very stressful, though rewarding as all hell too.

    I'm about a year away from leaving where I'm at (5 years is a long time in IT) and not sure what I'm going to be doing. I'd love to make a career change, but the work I do now pays very well and, at this stage in my career, fairly safe and easy to travel with if I ever want to move or leave the country. Opening up my own business, or taking on a bigger role in the business my partner started last year might also be in the cards.

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  92. I-Man

    And when you are profitable they put the money for trading,right?

    So when you have been already trained to be profitable what is the software function?

    Just ask because don't know if they are closer to be like a trainning company and then you are on your own or they are more like a hedge fund teaching people and then you have to work for them.

    Dan

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  93. Ah ok, thank you I don't even know that exist that.
    Dan

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  94. Wolfie
    Don't know if Mubarak is going to resign later today but the dude made an about face that's why I'm a contrarian, nothing happens how it looks.

    Their are playing good and bad cop.And they are making two mistakes.

    One they are trying to drain the crowd as if a collection of individuals.
    They think what can make someone quits or get extremely frustrated, for that they're using the back and forth.
    Tis first mistake is assuming that the reaction to an individual subject to this kind of situation is going to be EXACTLY the same when applied to more people. So they inferred that the law of bigger numbers doesnt exist so to speak, what one person would do is what a lot of persons similarly are going to do.

    They extrapolate one individual and apply it to the collective.

    The second mistake is that sheer numbers can not be effective in their actions because of their size and the problem is a known quantity and constantly uniform.

    Like the crowd today is going to be the crowd of tomorrow an so on nothing new.

    That crowd stopped living so to speak,a couple weeks ago the way they used to live.No production, not tourism not income.

    The problem is not uniformly constant instead of a parallel line to the base is an exponential curve in a graph, close to explode. And don't realize how easily the most primitive and barbaric impulses surface when sheer numbers are running out of time.

    So all the goods in the hand of the military and the elite in general are trying to get protected by removing the image of the military as being in the hands of Suleiman because in that case could happen that people start not wanting a new leader coming out of their ranks.They become the past too.

    In that case lots of companies in the military are going to be up for grabs (partially) or severely disputed.

    So appeared today a new clown, the general that runs Cairo and told the crowd that their demands were going to be met tonight...Ops sorry didn't happen.

    "But I promise you I repeat I promise you that THOSE people are not going to get it their way I'm going to do everything in my power to correct all of this".

    (Include several backs and forth crowd-Mubarak/Suleiman)

    Until the "fresh" general obtain for HIS people what he promise (sending Mubarak out of the country several months) and then you have a new lidah'.

    Mubarak can come or not to make transfer of power, is pretty much irrelevant because is not the crap about getting out with dignity at all at stakes here all revolves around to losing as little as posible the elite/military.

    The military despite participating 30 years tacitly in the opression get a pass as the new option, provider of a new lider and securing the Military Inc for the people who ransacked it all this years including them.

    In the very worst case they show that they were effective ousting Mubarak and deserve credit giving back just as little as possible of what was stolen and remain to protect the loved egiptian people against someone who can want to make them suffer again, because now they are the good guys and aligned with people's needs as always were :) and as long not one touches Military Inc.

    The Netanyahu and Obama administrations will praise people's wisdom and end of story.

    That's what the main players expect.

    The tell will be if people buy that, or if they want to recovered Military Inc wealth and spread it in a "wider" way.

    Time is running out will see what prevails.
    Dan

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  95. Mubarak and his family have 50 billion stashed all over the world. It takes time to make sure all of the lose ends are tied up.

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  96. @dss,

    Most tyrants are probably cheering Mubarak and hoping he wins and stays for they,too, are probably having sleepless nights. Read some where that Noth Sudan President Bashir said somehting like his people are monitoring Facebook, twitter etc and, "It's not going to happen here".


    ICan

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  97. Is China lying about their GDP numbers?

    Black Swan Capital's currency currents newsletter - dated Feb.09 - yesterday. You can access that from their website. This one is free.

    "To evaluate real Chinese growth, the tried and true method for outsider analysts is electricity production".

    2010 Chinese Power Production

    1Q10 11.9% 22.7%

    2Q10 10.3% 18.8%

    3Q10 9.6% 11.0%

    4Q10 9.8% 5.5%


    Several other points to read.


    ICan

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  98. ^ Middle column is GDP and what happened to the space?

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  99. @ Dan

    Not like a hedge fund, because we do not have clients.

    You dont get "hired" per se, until you complete the training program. Once you do that, you begin trading live, with the firms money.

    So each individual has their own "account", within the firms larger "account." Thus, I never deal with the exchange directly, my firm does that part.

    Just a hired gun really. If I dont make money, or dont follow the rules, I dont get to trade. Only as good as you can produce.

    But the tuition money was well worth every penny, and would have been a lot less expensive than learning on my own. Trust I.

    I paid for the tuition a couple of times over before I came here.

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  100. The software is proprietary stuff that my boss wrote.

    It is a suite of programs that assist traders in where to enter and exit the market. They dont "give" you trades, they simply help you gauge things like trading ranges, price swings, at varying degrees of risk, that sort of thing.

    There are a bunch of them I'm not even worthy to see yet.

    But just wanted to make clear, we are not just trading a mechanical system, we are "discretionary" traders who use the programs to help us.

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  101. I-Man

    So you use your discretion the software is more like a extra help to make this or that decision...something like that.
    Dan

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  102. So I've been emailing with Mohamed and I'm going to send him an iPhone. He keeps asking me how much it is because he will have to pay tax on it when it gets to him in Egypt. I wonder how that works. Does the post office hold it for him until he pays the tax?

    I still can't get over that he wants an iPhone. Lives go on I guess. Certainly a different perspective than what I'm seeing in the MSM.

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  103. Thor
    Because is always cooler a revolution with an iPhone rather than Android. :)

    The tax that he has to pay is to enter the country I think if it's somolar somawhat to Argentina.

    Go to a custom's deposit and he has to go and get it and pay a fee for how much is the cost of the product.

    A bobcat is more expensive than a phone but less than a car and so on.
    Dan

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  104. Is a % fee based in how much cost there or a comparable product if these don't exist overthere.
    Dan

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  105. From The New York Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/world/middleeast/11diplomacy.html?hp

    An excerpt:

    ...Still, Mr. Panetta said that his agency needed to better understand the “triggers” that can set off events like the protests in Egypt. He said that he had asked C.I.A. station chiefs for “better collection on issues like popular sentiments, issues like the strength of the opposition, issues like what is the role of the Internet in that particular country” and similar topics.


    ...um...um...food and pride Mr Panetta?

    So this is the "head" of the CIA?
    Good Lord...

    Dan

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  106. ...What is the role of the internet in that particular country.

    Well if the food increases in price...let's call it inflation for the brevity's sake, then yes internet is going to be a very, very dangerous thing.

    Dan

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