Gold. Gotta have it. Sooooooo presssssioussssss, my pressssioussssss.......
OK, that said, Gold is a good investment. So is silver. Here's why:
in 1973, a Mustang Mach 1 would cost you about 32oz. of gold. In 2010, a Mustang Mach 1 would cost you about 20oz. The value has improved 60% over those years.
Is that a good way of testing the value? Probably not, because materials and technology changes, making today's Mustang costs lower, but you get my drift. For an average "thing", Gold today has more value than Gold in 1973.
So buy, and keep gold. Besides, I hear it's good to eat....dentists used to stick it in your mouth.
Now, How about Silver? For that same Mustang, it would have cost you 1600oz. of silver in 1973, and today, it would cost you 945oz. Wow, almost a 70% value gain!
Who's the winner for long term investment? And why is that? The answer may be that silver gets used, and gold gets hoarded. Bottom line, if you want an investment that has improved over the years, it looks like Silver substantially outperforms gold.
so if you want to invest for your kids' future, buy them some silver now, and give it to them 35 years later. But I'm afraid ol' Rock can't wait that long. The actuarial tables are against it. And besides, this is a Anonymouse Traders blog, not an Anonymouse Investors.
So let's start with the sectors. How's the metals and mining sector performing? To find this out, we look at a daily chart of XME. For 43% of its value, XME consists of the following:
MEE SWC FCX HL WLT ATI CDE BTU PCX
Ok, that's not completely metals, but it does have some content.
Here's the XME chart:
Although there's a lot of information on this chart, please look at the "relstrength 20 day" portion. That chart plots the stock price in reference to the S&P500 price, with a smoothing over 20 days (1 month). That line shows how this stock performs as compared to the S&P. There's no oscillators, it's just raw price.
As you can see, the XME has marched with our rally, staying around the same as the S&P (the 0.00 line on the RelStrength 20 day chart), to a little positive, until the last couple of weeks where we've gone to a .09 higher than the S&P. You heard the pundits say "commodities are doing better than anything", but it looks like there may have been better choices than metals and mining for this time period.
Now let's look at the Gold Miners, GDX, which for 72% of its value it has
ABX AEM GG ASA KGC SLW NEM
and a couple others I don't have the tickers for. This is much more precious-weighted. Let's look at the chart:
It looks like it is in not too good shape. Why is that? Well, GDX is heavily weighted with NEM, and NEM has tanked since September/End, being substantially negative compared to the performance of the S&P. If you take out NEM, then GDX is running around .11 over the S&P. I'm sorry I can't do a chart of that for you, you'll just have to take my word.
So taking away NEM, it seems Gold miners have been doing better than the metals and mining sector.
I don't have a chart for the Silver miners' sector, because they kind of mine Silver with Gold, and I can't find an ETF that's silver mining only. But looking at PAAS CDE, and SLW, they are running over .15 better than the S&P. Well, it stands to reason, looking at our Mustang measurement.
Here's the chart for PAAS as an example:
Now, let's look at the metals themselves. the GLD chart:
It's barely tracking the S&P!! How about SLV chart?
Now we've got something. It's been running positive from the S&P since Aug 10, and hitting .15 better than S&P from time-to-time.
As a conclusion, we can see:
1. XME metals and mining is not the best place to be.
2. The miners are doing better than the metals
3. Silver is outperforming Gold by a substantial margin
4. The silver miners are outperforming the gold miners by several percents.
Where to invest?
Silver. The miners first, then the metal.
Except I like NEM, I always liked the underdog (I like you too, Mutt). I think it has a chance to catch up to the others. The only reason it's down is because of the guidance it gave in the last conference call. I read a transcript, and I think that's BS especially if we see GLD go up in price.
Thor...new business coming to your town.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/leading-apple-reseller-dpi-opening-new-office-in-los-angeles-to-serve-fast-growing-business-market-for-apple-computer-products-111134779.html
Rock rocks!
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ReplyDeleteThanks.
Next to newspapers, Cut and paste is the single greatest impediment to independent thought.
I did not learn how to do the charts. I cut-and-pasted Thor's implementation in.
Thx, Thor!
Thank You, Rock! Sir!
ReplyDeleteSorry, I'll be away until mid afternoon. I'll read it and comment when I come back.
But, certaily appreciate the affort you put into it. Thanks.
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Morning all! Great post Rock! Thanks for saving my butt!
ReplyDeleteGreg - Very interesting! I'll have to see what these guys are about and most importantly what kind of corporate discount they offer. We currently but directly from Apple. They're notorious for not giving very good corporate discounts - we get about 10% off retail. I know students no longer get the kick ass discounts they used to get. We've tried a few resellers (a computer up in SF as well as one called Computer One here in LA and neither were able to give us a larger discount than we already get directly from Apple. Also, Apple isn't currently giving any discounts on the iPhone or iPad so will be curious to see if these guys will offer any to their corporate clients.
I'm sure they'd be happy to have us as a client, we spend an insane amount of money on Apple products :-)
A Fate That Narcissists Will Hate: Being Ignored
ReplyDelete"The central requirement for N.P.D. is a special kind of self-absorption: a grandiose sense of self, a serious miscalculation of one’s abilities and potential that is often accompanied by fantasies of greatness. It is the difference between two high school baseball players of moderate ability: one is absolutely convinced he’ll be a major-league player, the other is hoping for a college scholarship.
The second requirement for N.P.D.: since the narcissist is so convinced of his high station (most are men), he automatically expects that others will recognize his superior qualities and will tell him so.
Finally, the narcissist, who longs for the approval and admiration of others, is often clueless about how things look from someone else’s perspective. Narcissists are very sensitive to being overlooked or slighted in the smallest fashion, but they often fail to recognize when they are doing it to others."
That wikileaks guy fits this profile perfectly.
I guess the correction is over? LOL.
ReplyDeleteSounds like someone I know, Denise.
ReplyDeleteSorry Thor...no discounts. You want a discount, go buy a Ford truck. They currently are offering $12,000 off the F150.
ReplyDeleteThat profile fits so many politicians, celebrities, people who like to be in the public eye and crave the adulation.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe that the wikileaks guy is doing this because of a sense of fairness. He could have remained anonymous.
ReplyDeleteAgreed denise. The guy is a narcissist. I still want to hear about the info that he has though....
ReplyDeleteI thought this was good. A look at the media's take on Assange by Greenwald.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/01/wikileaks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+salon%2Fgreenwald+%28Glenn+Greenwald%29
Greg - I bought a Flex :-)
ReplyDeleteDenise - hah! Yes, that sounds like a few people we know!
More on Assange and the media's curious reaction to him. Although not so "curious" when you really think about it for a few seconds.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/01/wikileaks-prompts-an-orgy_n_790659.html
Thor..I see it holds six, so we are all coming to see you and you can drive us around L.A. Maybe even take a drive up to Cupertino, you know, just to pay homage or something.
ReplyDelete@Manny,
ReplyDeleteLove Glen Greenwald. I agree I want to hear what he has to say, no doubt about that. The problem is in a nation where 27% of people think Obama was born in Kenya, and is some sort of communist/socialist/Nazi/Muslim sleeper cell from the 60's, it is difficult to think that this release changes anything.
Our government has been a bad actor for decades and despite numerous changes of administrations, these abuses continue, wars continue, very little changes except the volume of the rhetoric.
He = Assange, not Greenwald.
ReplyDeleteProbably true, Denise, and much of the nation likely supports waterboarding and torturing Assange himself. Blame the messenger. We ENJOY wallowing in our own delusions and ignorance as a nation. How do you think we've gotten into such national messes at home and aborad over the past 20-30 years? It certainly wasn't by paying attention, thinking critically and playing an active role in our so-called "democratic republic". Nothing to see here, folks. Go shopping, please. Your 1 year-old flat screen TV is outdated and you need a new one.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Brian Wesbury has reversed course on his recent bearish stance on the markets? Let me know if you hear when he does and I'll go all-in short. LOL.
ReplyDeleteThis is very interesting:
ReplyDeleteOn the issue of the Interpol arrest warrant issued yesterday for Assange's arrest: I think it's deeply irresponsible either to assume his guilt or to assume his innocence until the case plays out. I genuinely have no opinion of the validity of those allegations, but what I do know -- as John Cole notes -- is this: as soon as Scott Ritter began telling the truth about Iraqi WMDs, he was publicly smeared with allegations of sexual improprieties. As soon as Eliot Spitzer began posing a real threat to Wall Street criminals, a massive and strange federal investigation was launched over nothing more than routine acts of consensual adult prostitution, ending his career (and the threat he posed to oligarchs). And now, the day after Julian Assange is responsible for one of the largest leaks in history, an arrest warrant issues that sharply curtails his movement and makes his detention highly likely. It's unreasonable to view that pattern as evidence that the allegations are part of some conspiracy -- I genuinely do not believe or disbelieve that -- but, particularly in light of that pattern, it's most definitely unreasonable to assume that he's guilty of anything without having those allegations tested and then proven in court.
Manny - I'm going to steal that!! - "Nothing to see here folks, go shopping"
ReplyDeleteLots of people have egg on their face regarding this continued market strength since the bottom in March of 09.
ReplyDelete@Denise: That one jumped out at me as well. Truth-tellers will be destroyed by powerful interests at all costs. Think back to the timing of Spitzer's charges - March '08. Hhhmmm, what was happening back then? The timing is so obvious that it's clear they don't even care to try and hide it anymore because the know the public either doesn't care or won't/can't do anything about it.
ReplyDeleteGreg - Absolutely! I would hope anyone of you who comes to LA would look me up :-)
ReplyDeleteI especially like the cartoon at the end of the piece about Moral Relativism. It really sums it up nicely.
ReplyDeleteTrue, denise. I was one of them in '09. Lesson learned there. Tools like Wesbury are consistently wrong and they get paid well by their firms (by way of their clients) to be wrong time and time again. When I'm wrong, only my wife and I (and dog) get hurt.
ReplyDeleteGreg - Also, the media system in the Flex is powered by Microsoft Sync! To say its not very intuitive or user friendly would be a gross understatement.
ReplyDelete@Thor: Back in the day I did a brief stint with a minor league baseball team and was astonished by the voracious appetite that most of the fans had for free crap and garbage coupons to mostly crappy places. They snapped up the worst crap possible like vultures, as long as it was free or a perceived deal. One night nearing the last home game of the year we basically emptied the storage unit that was full of garbage promotional plastic shit and it was like a feeding frenzy after the game for it. You would have thought we were offering gold or something. I kid you not. It was downright depressing to watch.
ReplyDeleteManny - Not at all surprised! I see it all the time here at work. Whenever there's leftover food from a lunch meeting there's literally a crush of people waiting to grab the leftovers once they're announced. There are even people who will keep an eye on when the meetings get out so they can be first in line for free food. I'm always struck by the people who go too, not always the less well paid folks. Same thing if we announce that we have surplus IT stuff we're raffling off or giving away.
ReplyDeletePeople love to get free stuff, no matter how cheaply made it is or how little they actually need it.
I say this sitting at my desk drinking out of my Kaiser Medical Group, wearing my Adobe T-shirt, and my Apple pen. Joking (mostly :-)
Really good article about defending wikileaks in The Economist, it opened my eyes to a more informed and sophisticated take by a foreign media organization. As usual, American media has a huge stake in obfuscating the truths about our government. In defence of WikiLeaks
ReplyDeleteHere is the money quote:
"To get at the value of WikiLeaks, I think it's important to distinguish between the government—the temporary, elected authors of national policy—and the state—the permanent bureaucratic and military apparatus superficially but not fully controlled by the reigning government. The careerists scattered about the world in America's intelligence agencies, military, and consular offices largely operate behind a veil of secrecy executing policy which is itself largely secret. American citizens mostly have no idea what they are doing, or whether what they are doing is working out well. The actually-existing structure and strategy of the American empire remains a near-total mystery to those who foot the bill and whose children fight its wars. And that is the way the elite of America's unelected permanent state, perhaps the most powerful class of people on Earth, like it."
That about nails it, Denise. I'll have to check out the article. Am a little surprised it came from The Economist, but they aren't U.S.-based, so maybe I'm not that surprised. I used to suscribe to the magazine but gave up on it a couple of years ago.
ReplyDeleteI don't read The Economist regularly but this was a link from the Greenwald article.
ReplyDeleteAs always, it isn't the news that is the story, it is the reaction to the news that tells you more about who has the most to lose with the revelations.
I find it fascinating when in other countries to read their papers and find out what the rest of the world really thinks about America and global events. It makes you realize how much information is withheld from us and how much is spun to make America look much better than it is, in all departments. i.e., There have been scathing articles about how the US health care really system works in the foreign press that would never see the light of day here. Not even in the Onion.
ReplyDeleteDenise - oh yes, I do the same as well - not always easy when you're in a country that doesn't speak English, but most places have BBC World.
ReplyDeleteI really noticed it when I was in Europe a few years ago, their coverage of our wars is nothing like ours. They show dead soldiers, the effects of the road side bombs, dead children. The Europeans show their people what war actually is, not the sanitized version that we get. The hand wringing in the media over showing the death of the Iranian girl shot in the head last year was another depressing thing to watch.
We have extreme violence in every area of our society, from video games, to movies, to TV's, but when it comes to showing the real thing on the news, oh no, can't have that. We can't have the American people actually SEEING their young boys and girls actually dead or dismembered fighting meaningless wars. We need to sanitize that otherwise the American people will demand we bring our boys and girls home.
We prefer Disney, Thor. It's much neater and cleaner than reality.
ReplyDeletePeople are more interesting in Dancing with the Stars.
ReplyDeleteThe market is looking to test the 123.00 level SPY.
With this strength it should have no problem.
Ticks can barely go negative.
ReplyDeleteFrom Pragcap via GS -
ReplyDelete“The most significant shift in 2011 and 2012 is likely to be stronger growth in the US. Five years ago, our US economic outlook was very pessimistic….Even one year ago, we still had a below-consensus view and predicted a slowdown in GDP growth to a belowtrend pace in 2010. The reason for this was that the improvement in GDP growth in late 2009 had been due to temporary factors, namely the inventory cycle and the impulse from the 2009 fiscal stimulus package. With underlying final demand still stagnant, we thought that growth would slow through 2010, as indeed it has
That was then. Now, however, we expect a substantial acceleration in real GDP growth over the next two years to a 4% pace by early/mid-2012.
What has changed? Most strikingly, the performance of underlying final demand, or ‘‘organic growth.’’ Chart 2 shows real US GDP growth both including and excluding the short-term effects of inventory swings and fiscal stimulus.
Very interesting, say what you will about GS, they've been pretty spot on with their calls the last year or so.
The bubble is back, Denise. Well done, Benny, until the next collapse of it.
ReplyDeleteI honestly think that gold and silver are going to be an epic bubble and bust before all is said and done but maybe I'm wrong. EM's and other commodities as well.
@Thor: Not on FX though. Their calls there have been atrocious, but you're right - they've been mostly right in the other areas, but that's to be expected with their special status with our government, no?
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ReplyDeleteSorry about that - wrong window!
ReplyDeleteI think that BR and others are right, the market is smelling an upside surprise in the employment numbers.
ReplyDeleteSenator Bernie weighs in:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.zerohedge.com/article/senator-bernie-sanders-america-now-banana-republic
@denise: But in perverse fashion would an upside surprise actually HURT the markets, meaning justification for ending the Fed's free sugar to Wall Street?
ReplyDeleteManny - I would agree with Bernie Sanders at this point.
ReplyDelete@Manny,
ReplyDeleteIf hiring is really coming back then I think that the economy is improving, slowly, as jobs is the lagging indicator. The Fed money to Wall Street is more about keeping the zombie banks afloat by allowing them time to get their balance sheets in better shape, if possible. It has to end sometime!
I would sell the news if there was a big upside surprise because the market has already rallied 363 DJIA points already. That bit of news is already priced in.
@denise: But is most of that already priced in? At least a good portion of it would have to be, no?
ReplyDeleteWhoops, just read your second paragraph. LOL. ADD.
ReplyDelete@Thor,
ReplyDeleteThere is very little that I don't agree with Bernie Sanders about. The income inequality will only get worse as there is no will from anyone to stop, much less reverse the trend. The plutocracy owns everything, including the government.
Wow, those folks at ZH are so bitter. Wonder how many of them are unemployed.
Isn't it unreal over there at ZH, denise? Yikes. The comments section is basically unreadable.
ReplyDeleteAnd re: Bernie, it's a shame that people like him get ridiculed and labeled "bad" names like "socialist" and the like for basically telling it like it is........
It's absurd, really.
did anyone catch Dead Hobo's short rant on ZH? He was spot on; basically that they were good when the shit was hitting the fan, but now, not so much.
ReplyDelete@Manny,
ReplyDeleteWe might get a small sell off this afternoon in the last hour, but if there is a gap up tomorrow on the news I would be selling into it for a trade.
But also think there is a good possibility we could reach the April highs by the end of the year.
There has been so much complacency in the market since September's employment statistics and we corrected sideways instead of down since early November.
Correcting sideways is one way to gage underlying strength, as this 363 rally since we broke out yesterday illustrates.
@Thor,
ReplyDeletecouldn't find DH's rant.
No I didn't, Thor, but that place is filled to the gills with paranoid nihilists.
ReplyDeleteGotcha Denise.
It is like the 9 circles of hell over there.
ReplyDeleteBut he's brave for going into that den of vipers. Anyone steps out of line over there gets viscerated. Makes the "other" blog look like a picnic.
ReplyDeleteHarry Wanger is often there stiring the pot as well. There was one posting last week where he basically had everyone there hammering him, but guess what? Who's been right? He has.....
I'm sure the gold bugs over there have done well in the market, but the ones who've been constantly shorting the market have to be getting their asses handed to them.
ReplyDeleteGold has been a great market for the paranoid, I have to admit, which then further feeds their paranoia because they have been in self-fulfilling market loop. Going to be ugly when they all want out on the same day.
ReplyDeleteThe market will probably reach a top once nothing but the virtual sound of crickets are coming from the ZH site.
ReplyDeleteTHE top, I should say.
ReplyDeleteIf this rally holds, then it will be two trend days in a row, which is relatively rare.
ReplyDeleteA good post over at CR and NY Times. Thor and I were just discussing this very thing yesterday, no?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/12/unemployed-longer-out-of-work-tougher.html
The link to the NY Times article. It's also unreasonable (and not beneficial to the economy) to ask skilled people to all of a sudden go look for jobs like greeters at Wal Mart, and besides, many are being told by such places they are "overqualified" and won't hire them.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/business/economy/03unemployed.html
Naw, there will always be things they can find to rail against; real or imaginary threats to their psyches. It's always something. People like that often thrive only when they feel they are in a threatening environment. They can't enjoy life because someone or something is haunting them. I sense people who watch Glen Beck's shows have the same mentality, and he can really connect the dots of despair and desperation when he is on a roll.
ReplyDeleteProbably true, denise, and then they'll just blame "the government" or other shadowy forces at work for their own failures in the market or elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteI thought this was an interesting post though. If the retail supermarkets are struggling, how can there be a real recovery at hand?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.zerohedge.com/article/kroger-stock-plunges-after-ceo-discloses-recovery-slower-and-weaker-americans-cautious-buyin
Maybe the recovery is only real for say the top 20% of the country and the rest of the country truly is still in a recession?
ReplyDeleteThere is going to be a great deal of residual structural unemployment that lasts for years (the people either die or are unemployed until they can collect SS).
ReplyDeleteI am in favor of a public works program as I don't believe that people should be just handed a check if they are chronically unemployed. But age discrimination has a lot to do with many people. No company wants to higher older workers and pay huge health insurance premiums, which is another reason why the health care bill failed to address a key issue for the economy. Let them eat cake!
Aldi and Costco get a lot of food business here in my area. Aldi owns Trader Joe's.
ReplyDeleteSo does Super Target here, Denise. We also like Trader Joe's quite a bit.
ReplyDeleteChocolate cake with vanilla frosting and little multicolored dinosour sprinkles. Now That is a cake worth eating.
ReplyDeleteOh wait you did not mean "Let them eat cake" as a cake for a party...
My bad.
Mangy Mutt
@Manny,
ReplyDeleteThe way I figure it is you have to start with the positive. 90% of people are employed. They spend money, maybe not as before, but they still spend. The unemployed still have to eat, clothe themselves and their families (even if it is at thrift stores or the cheapest stores) etc. There is plenty of economic activity in the uppper income brackets as well. I think that Kroger is the victim of people moving down the food chain to cheaper alternatives, both in the store and at other stores.
@Rock,
ReplyDeleteThanks again for your thots on pms-gold and silver. I will look into NEM, forsure.
I know it's all one market, DGDF - U$D vs. rest of the Planet Earth. If U$D corrects - goes up- then everything will come down.
But there is mountains, and mountains of debt. Trillions - WAY MORE MONEY HAS BEEN BORROWED THAN IS EVER GOING TO GET PAID BACK, EVER!. Every Central bank is going to monitize the debt.
Every middle class Indian family owns gold -all according to their own means. I was thinking of buying silver for trading purposes because when gold become expensive, then people buy silver for dowry. Hard for westners to grasp that idea.
Gold hit all time high in Indian Rupees, yesterday. Rs. 21000/0z.
But, at the same time I don't want to catch a falling knife. I am thinking I'll start a small postion, and add, keeping an eye on the market.
I Can
Good points, Denise. Hard to disagree with that.
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ReplyDeleteWow - Look at that Gold Chart
I believe the economists call it "trading down".
ReplyDeleteTrade down to a cheaper good, or a substitute that is cheaper.
Steak is too expensive so they buy hamburger or switch to chicken.
Wow, that is a a crazy chart, Denise.
ReplyDeleteCorn is having a bad hair day, too.
ReplyDeleteCorn
ReplyDelete@dss,
ReplyDeleteCotton and wheat charts. China will need soft commodities.
I Can
Yes, noticed H&S pattern on gold chart.
ReplyDeleteI Can
Floyd Norris on Gold:
ReplyDelete"Gold Fever:Pondering the Causes". http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/business/26norris.html
"It is part relgion, part politics.......Betting that $1400 gold will soon be $1800 or $2500 is basically a bet that the West really is in permanent decline this time.........Let's hope the bet is wrong.
There is one person against my silver bet!
I thought people were crazy buying gold at $1000 and above, yet Indian people we know are holding their noses and buying gold - for dowry, albeit lower amount. They have no choice.
I Can
I will wait and see for correction, perhaps in Q1, 2011. After Christmas and part-time workers inflating the employment numbers, will see where this market goes.
ReplyDeleteI Can
@Dan and denise,
ReplyDeleteSelling the news Friday morning, did Dan say something about the market reversing on Monday, whatever the trend was this week?
I Can
Denise - on that gold chart - what are the giant moves on either side of noon? Someone buying, and then selling a massive amount of gold?
ReplyDeleteICan - you had a comment from today stuck in SPAM that I just let out.
ReplyDelete@Mannwich:
ReplyDeleteI've shopped at Kroger.
Their stock deserves to drop. Just like a lot of their moldy veggies over in aisle 1.
However, check out Whole Foods!
The EATS sector stinks overall, -.02% on the S&P for $DJTFOB. But in every sector, there will be shining stars. I never will forget the ear of Kroger corn I tore open. Even though I thought they had good meats, I never went back.
I guess it's kind of like RTH is terrible, but COH, TIF, JWM are performing very well.
In the EATS category, as I said, the $DJTFOB is bad, but WhiffMe (WFMI), CMG (should rename that one OMG!) look pretty good. Maybe ADM is popping now, it's turned up from -.12 to -.4 in the last couple days. That's a real fast change for relative strength.
"Interview: Why Eric Sprott sees Silver as the next investing windfall". www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/funds-and-etfs/
ReplyDeleteHis precious-metals-heavy Sprott Hedge fund has garnered an estimated 23% annuallized return over 10 yeats ended Nov. 26 compared with 5.4% decline in the S&P 500 index in Canadian dollars.
Historcially, gold/silver ratio has been 16 to 1 but now it trades in around 50 to 1.
"And I bet you that Silver overshoots. That gold to silver ratio may even get down to 10 to 1. The price of silver has been suppressed".
Reason - Fiat currencies.
This is not a recommendation to buy silver. Just clearing my own thougts.
I Can
"China's gold imports surge five folds".
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ft.com/home/us
Beijing on track to overtake India as the world's largest consumer.
I Can
@I Can: That SLV chart is something else. I can't help but think that Ben and the other CB's are blowing a commodities bubble of epic proportions here.
ReplyDeleteIt has literally gone parabolic since mid to late August.
ReplyDeleteLook at the five-year chart. Ever since the bailouts started, this thing has gone nuts with a few dips along the way.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=SLV:US#chart
@Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteDon't fight the Fed.
@Dss Re: Wikileaks:
Much of what was stolen was "watercooler" talk. The problem when it's released in this manner is that the average Joe can't tell if it's real or if it's Memorex.
Let me tell you how it works: if you generate a sensitive document (like the report from that Ambassador that was "sent to Washington"), you check it in to a database (it looks like you're sending an email, but you're not), using a set of credentials. Then if somebody wants to read it, they have to get authorization to obtain the credentials, check it out, and check it back in when it's been read/modified (depending on the credentials you get to check it out). Nobody, and I mean nobody, sends sensitive reports by email. The only people who would do that are people who are not authorized to generate sensitive documents, think they might know something, and send it by email.
So it's likely what was stolen is opinion, rumor, and innuendo from underlings who don't have the set of credentials to create the sensitive reports and most very likely do not have direct knowledge about the subject the're writing about.. It means they're probably crap. But because Wiki released them, there's no way of knowing now because everything will get denied.
The only ones that will get anything at all out of this data dump are the organizations that have already researched a topic, and a memo or email from this pile of poo confirms what they already think they know. And of course it will sell newspapers and magazines for a long while.
@Thor:
ReplyDeleteNothing you see on TV in the US is real. If you apply that rule to watching TV, then you'll never be disappointed. (even sporting events: they got rid of all the Johnny Bench's, right? Right! Um. Well maybe, anyway).
There's no need to send reality over a medium that's always been designed for entertainment and propoganda. But remember you live in a free society, and if you want, you can go download all those pictures you want from BitTorrent or go to the Russian websites, and see all the reality you want to see. But there's no reason to make me see them; I don't want to. So let me at my propoganda and entertainment---let me have what I want, and you can easily get what you want.
@Dss
ReplyDeleteI think I may have posted something about the people out there who keep the hoards of locusts from off my door.
Thank god for them.
And, we haven't had a 9/11 since 9/11.
But now TSC says you can't carry a printer cartridge on-board. Like that will work. Anyway, at least most of the kidnapping and murdering of US citizens over Mexican drugs has stopped, and now those guys are killing and murdering Mexicans instead. Our saviors have done a great job. Thank you guys. You've kept the locusts from off my door, again.
I Can
ReplyDeleteWhat I wrote Tuesday:
..."Ok here we are waiting and waiting to see some action in the equity market. Looks like the nov 16 low is the line in the sand for now, and I'm expecting a more decisive move around next Monday.
If the market keeps chopping this week or start moving up slightly till Friday then Monday will see an acceleration to the upside in a new leg up (this is my preferred view).
The less probable view will witness an explosive move up this 4 coming days; in that case next Monday will mean the start of a meaningful correction. Just the inverse of the previous one.
But I don't give a lot of credit to this option due to the failure of nov 17 to be the start of some substantial correction.Particularly because that was a very clean period (astrologically speaking) to generate a move down and what really happened was that the move down got stopped in it's tracks at that time, with an inversion at that critical juncture regarding price action, so up forces weren't challenged then, and could be even harder to be challenge now. Will see".
Dan
My Internet is down at home - can someone put up an open thread for tomorrow? I'm not sure Emmie is back with us yet.
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Back up! Quick linkfest for tomorrow!
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Rock - As always, wise words my friend.
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