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Wednesday, July 6, 2011

Different Strokes

I just want to applaud Dss for her great post on Friday last. She has identified a bunch of resources which are common sense, easily used, and forceful allies.

What I’d like to do is complement that post with this one, which will give a different viewpoint and action option, depending on your time framework, and risk appetite.

First, a repeat of Dss’ SPY chart:




As you can see, she’s drawn a line from the high on April 30 to the high on May 31, and to where it intersects the price action on the current rally. She said she uses price action for her trade, so I’m interpreting that to mean that her line has identified a downtrend, and the price action would dictate a short is appropriate to follow the market trend downwards.

Here’s my SPY chart, and I’ll show you my price action.




At black line (1), the SPY established an upchannel. The price action violated that upchannel at (2).The next day, after (2), the stochastic %K crossed over the %D with conviction (some space between the lines), indicating the price action downward was confirmed. I might enter a short position at that time.

(The downchannle lines are drawn by TDAmeritrade’s StragegyDesk, and the width of the channel’s math is proprietary, but believe me, it does a good job).

At line (3), the downward price action violated the limits of the downchannel. I might have moved out of my short at that time, or perhaps reduced the short position.
But take a look at the day after (3), and you’ll see the stochs going horizontal. This means there’s no price confirmation. Not surprisingly, the volume on that day is quite low, indicating no participation in the channel violation. With no volume follow-through, I’m out. I won’t take chances when other folks aren’t participating.

At (4), we had 3 days of horizontal price action, then we see an upchannel trend was established. I might have entered a long position, but I wouldh’t have added to the entry because at (5) we had a dramatic channel violation to the downside. In the morning, I would have exited my long entry position (often I enter a position with 25 shares, and add as I see W’s on the 15 minute chart). At (5), there was significant volume, and the day after (5) was pretty good volume, so I would have re-entered a short position at that time.

At (6) we violated the downchannel again, and I would have exited the short position at that time. Take a look at the difference in slope of the stochastics at (6) compared to (1). Do you see a significant commitment difference? The slope is much more positive at (1). I might have waited until I saw more commitment by volume or price action, which became obvious at 2 days after (7), where I would have started a long position. I have held that long position long until now, when I see the stochastics are overbought (higher that 80%) and will be reducing my long positions until I see some volume commitment in the next day or two.

Your exercise: do the math. If you started short where Dss started her line, and stayed short until the line was violated, would you have made more or less money than I, hopping in and out, using the thinner price channels and violations?

44 comments:

  1. Identifyiing a StyleJuly 6, 2011 at 9:28 AM

    Rock - I seems there are more ways to trade then we can shake a stick at, with none of them being the right way or the best way, only the way that works best for us.

    It also seems this is one of the reasons it is difficult to become a good trader as it takes years of expereince and honing of that skill set to become good.

    Thanks for sharing your insight and I hope your move is going well.

    Mangy Mutt

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  2. Nice post, Rock. And agree with you about Denise's post on Friday as well.

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  3. Morning all! Rock, excellent post and agreed!

    On another note, we need to decide what to do with the blog. I unfortunately do not have the time right now to devote to this blog full time and have zero interest in running it myself.

    Please take the rest of the week to give some thought to the blog and whether or not we want to continue it. I will be putting up an open thread in the Thursday spot and leaving it there over the weekend while we make a decision. Without any interest or input from the group Friday's post will be the last on this blog.

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  4. It's honing to what your comfortable and have the time for. Everyone is different.

    What matters is to find what you can do to make your self successful.

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  5. Big business not helping the deficit situation. What a shocker.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/06/business/economy/06leonhardt.html

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  6. @Thor: I have mixed feelings about this. Let me give it some thought.

    In the meantime, you may want to reach out to Denise to see if she's reconsider. Once this thing is done, there's likely no turning back. I realize, however, that all things come to an end, eventually, and given everyone's busy schedules, maybe that time is now?

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  7. Ok - we'll keep it going if there is interest from the group.

    We just need to know if there is any left

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  8. Manny - good article!

    The money quote from TP

    While professing concern for the rising deficit, major corporations and business groups like the Business Council are actually calling for policies “that would add hundreds of billions of dollars a year to the deficit.”

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  9. @Mannwich

    I'm leaning towards ending it, due to my schedule as well.

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  10. Emmie - Totally understand. It's becoming more and more difficult for me as well.

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  11. Me too, emmy. Maybe we can leave it open and revisit at a later time? Nothing lasts forever. Everything has its time and place. Maybe we make this the last week for the time being?

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  12. Because of the move in process, my participation will be spotty at best for the next 10-12 weeks. They're packing the office tomorrow, and I go to temp housing until my taxes are done and I can leave singapore. I'll continue making my post day if you guys decide to keep going.

    Did you see:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-05/news-corp-to-probe-report-murder-victim-s-phone-was-hacked.html

    Keep safe. I may be paranoid, but I'm changing my login IDs and passwords pretty often now. Especially on my pretty public trading accounts.

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  13. I would like to thank Denise, Jeff, Thor, Emmanuel, Rock, James, I-Man, and others. Always learning something new and hopefully meaningfull.

    ICan

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  14. Manny - I think that's a great idea, take the next quarter or so off, we can check in from time to time to say hi. No need to close the blog entirely, but with so many people having so much else going on right now. . . . It's entirely up to the group as far as I'm concerned.

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  15. Thanks, ICan. You as well. And everyone else who's contributed in one way or another back to the very beginning. We haven't always agreed or even gotten along (LOL), but it's been fun. Let's revisit after the summer ends. Maybe things will change again, as I'm sure they always do?

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  16. I saw that story, Rock. Pretty amazing, but not at all surprising. Perhaps we aren't paranoid ENOUGH these days? Maybe most of us here are though. LOL. Anyway, that story is certainly a strange one but not shocking in my opinion.

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  17. Fantastic post by PK showing just how utterly ridiculous and moronic the GOP sound these days (in case anyone is paying attention now that the big Casey Anthony trial has concluded):

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/06/all-greek-to-him/

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  18. In other "news", the results are in, and overwhelming, the Sheeple say "tax the rich". Again. Is anyone listening? Anyone who matters anyway? Does anyone matter besides those very rich who obviously are the ones pulling the real levers of power?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06/poll-swing-state-voters-tax-wealthy-deficit_n_891485.html

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  19. Manny - I didn't even know what the Casey thing was about! It was playing on the news this weekend when we were at the hotel and people were glued to the TV in the hotel lobby!

    Priorities people!

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  20. Bread & circuses, Thor. What will be the next one to divert attention from the real issues that really affect our day to day lives?

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  21. Not Following it EitherJuly 6, 2011 at 6:54 PM

    Thor - I had/have not been following the Casey Anthoney story either (except when it could not be avoided).

    And am mildly amused at how much coverage this story has gotten.

    Not to make light of the death of an innocent child, but this story is not a new or all that unique, children die all the time.

    And now that a jury of her peers finds her NOT guilty there is an uproar. Well we did not sit on that jury and see the evidence the way they did, so who are we to judge their verdict.

    But it sure seems like some people are in shock and why shouldn't they be.

    Heck didn't the News Media ALREADY try her and present their evidence to the nation that proved she is quilty - How dare her peers think it could be any different.

    Sad, sad, sad that people would rather side with the press then their peers.

    But hey, what else is new.

    Mangy Mutt

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  22. Guys I'm going to leave this post up for another day. Rock likes lots of comments and it's a better homage to Denise.

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  23. @dss: We all have various reasons for leaving the 'blogosphere' from time to time. Good luck to you.

    @thor: hope you remain busy...it's much better than the alternative.

    I didn't agree with 78.6% (a Fibbo number) of the sentiments here, but there was powerful common ground on the remainder.

    Best of luck to everyone. If you ever want to lob bombs at a blazing Libertarian, you know where to find me.

    Peace out.

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  24. Thank you Andy, that was very nice of you to say. Cheers to you.

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  25. Thanks for weighing in, Andy. Best of luck to you as well.

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  26. Thor, Manny and everyone, if the problem seems to be the administration of posting new columns etc. why don't we just leave it open as an open thread. Just a thought, or maybe I'm missing something else.

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  27. Greg - Totally works for me. There's no reason we can't just keep the blog up, and occasionally post a new thread if something comes up or an existing one gets too long. . . .

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  28. If time permits later on, we could always start up again.

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  29. Great article on the huge slowdown (net negative!?) in illegal immigration from Mexico.

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  30. Thor - Do you have a link for this great article or are you just letting us know there is a great article out there.....Somewhere......

    If you have the link can you put it up :p


    Mangy Mutt

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  31. oops!

    Yes

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/06/world/americas/immigration.html

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  32. Anybody buying today ?
    :D

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  33. I like the break above 1344 resistance (despite the gap at the open, who likes those huh..).

    Were I back into the action, I think I'd give a shot on the long side, any stock really, with a stop loss in tune with the 1330 support on the SP500.

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  34. Notes, for what it matters:
    * the above "call" (or call it what you like really :p) is the result from an admittedly very brief eyespotting of my SP500 weekly (and monthly).
    * 100% TA based. No time to follow the "fundamentals" (not that they matter that much either, me thinks..)

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  35. On those good words, catch you later, have fun !

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  36. Lots of good analysis on future and past trends by soc gen
    http://es.scribd.com/doc/59489177/When-Demand-Outstrips-Supply-Copy
    mike

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  37. I'm fine with leaving an open thread.

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  38. Me too. Why not?

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  39. then it's settled! If the comments in an open thread go above, say 50, I'll open up another open thread. If anyone of the regular posters feels like putting something up that they think is interesting then we can post those when we feel like it as well.

    Phew, I like that! Much more flexible for all our busy schedules.

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  40. THis is good

    http://www.slate.com/id/2298580/

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  41. the money quote

    Do we really need another costly experiment with ideas that have repeatedly failed? We shouldn't, but increasingly it appears that we will have to endure another one nonetheless. A failure of either Europe or the United States to return to robust growth would be bad for the global economy. The failure of both would be disastrous—even if the major emerging-market countries have attained self-sustaining growth. Unfortunately, unless wiser heads prevail, that is the way the world is heading.

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  42. I may still also put up some posts from time to time when the mood and information strikes. "Manny Mondays" could well become "Manny Any Days".

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  43. and time permitting, of course.

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