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Wednesday, May 4, 2011

Credible. Or Not.

Lately on our blog, we have been discussing numerous financial aspects in a global sense, including inflation, currency valuations, emerging market investments and economic indicators. We have used numerous sources of information. That’s what I’d like to address in this post.

Many of us are using websites as sources of information, and indicating they are “reputable”. Many are names that are familiar, and many are names that are obscure. It may be that some of these resources may lack foundation. The other day, I posted a comment and referred to a particular post on a blog, and it turns out that the post was just opinion, not backed by any verifiable source of data.

ROCK YOU’RE GUILTY!!!!

Yep. I screwed up. I had an opinion, found a website that reinforced that opinion, put a comment here and used that web blog post as validation. I did not do the research to find the actual data. So I am embarrassed.

You can’t be sure of the source of any information these days, especially what you read on the internet. There is almost always some agenda by the presenters, some variables accentuated during data collection that spins the results in a direction the collector wants. Even photo-journalists are guilty of this, perhaps inadvertently, but the photos they choose to send to the editors are the ones they wish to sell, the ones they know their editors wish to pay money for. But there are some sources upon which we may rely, I think.

The data that Wikileaks has published fall into the unreliable category. This information could possibly be classified as watercooler talk. Ask yourselves: did the Wikileaks data embarrass the US? Was it dangerous to American society? Did it endanger human lives? Or was it more a confirmation that the US diplomats were knowledgeable of worldwide politics, and pretty much on-target WRT their assessments?

Do you believe the Wikileaks data was leaked with malice, or was it leaked on purpose?

A couple of months ago, I discussed a security issue with a senior administrator of a local private school. A large school, with almost 3000 students. He told me that companies like Symantec and Trend can't be trusted because they have something to sell, and he puts his faith in not-for-profit organizations with .edu affiliation. I laughed at him, probably something I shouldn't have done, but in fact, nothing is further from the truth. I have worked for not-for-profit firms with .edu affiliation (specifically the Kettering Laboratory and the Sloan Kettering Institute) and their management spends far far more time wooing customers and gaining financing than the management at For-Profit companies.

To our blog’s credibility, I have seen comments on this blog, which question the motives of other blogs’ posts and data, and therefore the veracity of the data presented there. But also I have seen (and been guilty of) posts here which do not verify data presented.

In that light, I’d like to introduce a website which I personally have found to have foundation, and which presents verifiable data. It is:

http://www.imf.org/external/index.htm

I have found there a collection of information with which I am quite pleased. Here’s a really cool link from the imf.org’s site:

http://www.google.com/publicdata/overview?ds=k3s92bru78li6_

I’d like to suggest as comments to this post that we present websites that have credible data, verifiable conclusions, and valid foundations, to which we may all refer, with confidence.

Of course, we might start with Edgar. Edgar has nothing to sell, and if the data placed there is false, then it is actionable.

http://www.sec.gov/edgar.shtml
Another is the NY Fed. It may be argued that they have something to sell as well, but they do basic research and collect the data, and they make the rules by which the data is presented. Under that set of constraints, I feel their data may be believed. You may not like their rules

61 comments:

  1. Thanks, Rock, where ever you are. I think he is on his train trip to India.

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  2. Morning all! Excellent post Rock!

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  3. $SPX ema(10) 1348.29, (20) 1338.81, (50) 1322.14.

    DXY and risk assets red. WOW.


    EUR/USD close to 1.50.


    ICan

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  4. Red is so beautiful.Pity I've got no time to admire this.

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  5. Even utilities being sold. TRP.to also in dumpster.

    Ems - inflation scare, but U.S. doesn't look good either. Euro - inflation talk also.

    ICan

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  6. Maybe someone is "Selling in May and going away". Lol. They'll be back after labour day.


    ICan

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  7. ICan,

    When BR says he is 90% invested, and David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital has given up on most of his shorts, and the muted response to bin Laden's death tells me that we might be looking to stall or finally pull back from here.

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  8. And as I said last week, there are some mutual funds whose quarter ended 4/30/11 (some of the reason for sell in May go away?) which might have been some window dressing for their ad campaigns. (We were up 15% for the last quarter)

    Who is left to buy?

    We'll soon find out.

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  9. @dss,

    Thanks for your(11:02).

    From Marketwatch.com,

    "Growth in U.S. Servises Sector Tapers Dramatically". And,

    "Soros and Burbank repordly selling gold and silver".

    Trader Mark also has a post on whether Soros is selling gold/silver.

    All a game of confidence.

    ICan

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  10. Not to mention that the market has been rallying for two years. This bull market could go higher, but it certainly looks tired to me at this point.

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  11. Obviously, a move over the recent bin Laden highs negates all of this.

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  12. Denise - good call, looks like we might have our correction.

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  13. Stock market is like Charlie Sheen: Einhorn
    Greenlight chief closes short positions as stocks rise on bad news


    SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — David Einhorn, head of hedge fund firm Greenlight Capital, closed more than a dozen short positions recently because rising stock markets have made it more difficult to hedge and bet against companies.

    Greenlight covered short positions in which he had “lower confidence”during the first quarter, including four negative bets against companies in the for-profit education industry, Einhorn wrote in an April 29 letter to investors. MarketWatch obtained a copy of the letter on Monday.

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  14. Thor,

    Wolfie was calling it as was Dan.

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  15. Support at the ES 1336-1337 level.

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  16. We keep making lower highs, lower lows, so far. Ticks are very weak.

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  17. Denise - yes that's right, sorry Wolfie and Dan, I know you've both been talking about a correction (Dan specifically) for weeks now. . . . Remember though, I'm not a morning person! :-)

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  18. Anyone read this yet?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54246.html

    And does anyone know what this means specifically?

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner plans to ignite the debate by unveiling a white paper that advocates lowering the top corporate tax rate from the current 35 percent to less than 30 percent and as low as 26 percent, according to aides. The proposal is likely to fall between 26 percent and 28 percent.

    To pay for that, the proposal will call for closing loopholes and slicing exemptions. The two main ones are a tax deduction for domestic manufacturing and accelerated depreciation for capital equipment.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54246.html#ixzz1LOwUTMDh


    Ending the credit for domestic manufacturing? Does that sound like what I think it sounds like?

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  19. Here is good explanation on recent sentiment, insider trading and Rydex Bull/Bear:

    Investor Sentiment: Why bet against the Market when it only goes up?

    Sentiment is neutral

    Rydex Bull/Bear Ratio: Currently, the value of the indicator is 69.21%. Values less than 50% are associated with market bottoms. Values greater than 58% are associated with market tops.

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  20. Gold, Silver, Oil all down sharply. Silver down 7.62% probably due to the increased margin demands.

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  21. Ascertaining CredibiltyMay 4, 2011 at 12:42 PM

    Rock - Great post and this is something I struggle with daily. It is good to have various sources of information to build our opinion on and when that information can be back up with facts even better – But we live in a day and age where we not only have information over load, but fact over load.

    You can post your opinion and back it up with facts, but I can post an opposing opinion back up with just as many facts. So who is right?

    It seems much of it comes down to our individual point of view. Because of how he grew up and understands things ICan has a unique point of view on Pakistan’s role in world events.

    Is ICan wrong in his beliefs – NO, because he has real life experience in a subject matter we only see on tv, he is not wrong in his beliefs. And because I have not lived life in his shoes and can not fully understand the culture from his point of it is good to get his perspective. But an opposing point of view, with opposing facts can also be painted.

    Most social issues have no 100% right or wrong. Taxes, you take too much from the rich to give to the poor, unintended consequences arise, yet if you take too much from the poor, the balance tips the other way and you still end up with unintended consequences . So what is the right or best set of taxes to be set up?

    Unions help protect the workers and spread wealth more evenly, but what happens when unions become too strong? What happens when the poorer tax payers have to start paying an unfair price for failed policies? What is the right balance between protecting the worker and protecting the tax payer?

    We can always get data to refute the opposing argument – Anyway great post Rock

    Mangy Mutt

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  22. This last week was fairly busy for me with “Special” Meetings and what not so I have been busier then normal which is good and although I was able to check in on the blog from time to time, I was not able to post.

    Over the past year you folks have provided a store house of information and then given your distinctive trading styles and perspectives’ of how and why certain techniques work for you and what you are or are not looking for makes for a lot of information to go through.

    There are times that all this data can be quite daunting for a novice like myself…What is important when and if it was important last week why isn’t it today…And so on and so on and it seemed like I was always chasing but never quite understanding.

    However during one of the meetings last week, I was able to actually sit back and think about certain things you people have posted and the more I was able to reflect, the more it seemed like the muddy water before me started to settle and the layers of sediment started to come into view and the water began to get clearer – Now I do not believe the water will ever crystal clear, but at least it is far less murky

    Emmanuel – I am sorry to hear that silver has been a blood sport for you in the past few days, it is never any fun, but I believe we have all been where you have at one point or another, so thank you for sharing your pain as it is a reminder to us how quickly the blade can cut both ways.

    Price and volume were two of the things that started to clear up and make sense to me during the meetings and what seemed to come into focus was silver was going higher and higher on less and less volume – Which made price support and why it is important become clearer. Also the dollar was bouncing around 73 while silver was bouncing around 50, with QE and the death of the dollar more firmly in place then the price of silver, it seemed like something was ready to give and that it was going to be silver.

    I did not get in a ZSL order and am too afraid to short it now (Although I do not believe this correction is quite over) But as Rock has often said, there is always another opportunity.

    Anyway, even though I have not been able to be around the past week, the lessons you people have put out are starting to sink in and make sense as the mud has become clearer and it is abundantly clear I have WAY WAY WAY more to learn.

    Emmanuel Sorry for your loss, better luck next time.

    Mutt

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  23. Mutt,

    Thanks for checking in. After more than twenty five years of investing/trading/learning I still learn something new almost everyday. A new approach using tried and true indicators, rereading books from an market educated standpoint rather than a novice is always great entertainment, because I can measure my learning curve and progress through the years.

    Mud becomes clear! And the learning process never stops.

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  24. Mutt - you took the words right out of my mouth! I've learned so much from this group of people, and I don't even TRADE! Just being able to more clearly understand the mountain of economic/market/financial news out there today has been invaluable. Just knowing which voices to ignore ALONE would have been worth all the time and effort we've all put in on this blog.

    I know all about being super busy, so don't sweat it buddy, you know we're always here for you ;-)

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  25. Thor,

    I think Geithner's tax scheme is really just to lower corporate taxes again and close some loopholes but in the end the closing of the loopholes will never make up for the loss of revenue. Just my opinion, based upon past actions.

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  26. Denise - that's what I was thinking, the end result is that the multi-nationals will pay even less taxes. Large corporations do not create jobs in this country anymore, they ship them all overseas. Raise taxes on all multi-nationals, or lower them, in remove ALL loopholes. If we want to lower taxes on business in this country, lower it on the small businesses that have proven to be real job creators in this country.

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  27. Plus - I'm always highly suspicious at this point on any "reforms" that are supported by the Chamber of Commerce or large multi-nationals.

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  28. Thor,

    Yup. If the Obama hating Chamber supports the changes you know they will be bad for America, good for Big Business. Funny how they keep thinking that Obama is this socialist.

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  29. Interesting:

    Soros sells gold, silver investments: report
    George Soros’s hedge-fund firm is said to have sold off gold and silver positions in past month.

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  30. Mutt,

    Also, I think in a good discussion or debate, both people should come away with more knowledge than they started with.

    This comes from stating a position, and backing up that particular viewpoint with facts from credible sources.

    The research done to support/discredit a certain position is far more illuminating than simply taking a position and not being able to support it. (like the journey is more interesting than the destination) Anecdotal information is a start but usually not worth very much in the end without some facts to back it up. (i.e. the U.S. has the best health care system in the world)

    The only reason to engage in these discussions is to have both sides state their case and then support their view points with credible sources. Doesn't necessarily change the opinion or the position of the other person but I believe the debate process educates both sides.

    On blogs, in the media and in conversation there is far too much bloviating that is accepted as fact.

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  31. @Mutt,

    Thanks!

    With OBL caught under Pakistan military's nose, vindicates India and exposes corrupt military and political regime there. OBL was a cash cow for Pakistan - $28 billion in aid from the U.S. plus military training. In Pakistani rupees that's lot of money.

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/

    "Land registry officials were summoned(by the intellegence services) on Tuesday and were urged to keep quiet".

    ICan

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  32. Denise - agree, I'm one of the one's who doesn't always provide a source, which I think can be invaluable to other people in showing how you came to a particular position on something.

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  33. @Mutt,

    We, immigrants live in two separate worlds simulataneously. For me that's Canada(West) and India(East). It's like day and night.

    I rememeber a very intellegent high school friend(in Canada - white english/french Canadian) once asked me, " What language do you think in". I thought that was amusing.


    ICan

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  34. ICan - I ask that question to my friends and co-workers all the time! I find that transition fascinating, both culturally, and how it works within the mind. The other question I always ask is "what language do you dream in?" :-)

    I'm always struck by the wide variety of responses as well as the amount it takes various non - native English speakers. All I've been able to determine so far is that it seems like folks first think in the new language, and then eventually dream in it as well. . . .

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  35. @Thor,12:14AM: excuses accepted. BUT it's gonna cost you a coffee for mutt.

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  36. SP500 update:
    * 1350 acting as a resistance
    * it should be our roof for further downside action
    * 1330 still my first target
    * I mentioned yesterday I was just moderately confident about this 1330 target scenario. But given today's action, there's good probability for it to work.
    * finally, from my POV, a break back above 1350 would invalidate this scenario

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  37. Gotta go. See you.

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  38. Morning, I mean, afternoon all! Osama's Top still lives, I see?

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  39. @Thor(3:07)

    It's like automatic vs. manual gearbox. For me it's unconsious.

    Yesterday, you asked about Conservative party of Canada. Think of Republicans.

    Liberals = Centerists.

    NDP = Left/Democrats.

    ICan

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  40. Denise (2:06)– I remember back in the late 80’s early 90’s that political campaignes were running on “So and So is a waffler, he/she will change their mind depending on which way the wind blows”

    By know means should people be wishy washy and never stand for what they believe in, but times change and so do the facts and when they change people should be open minded enough to bend their view points.

    Personally I would rather have a politician/Supreme Court Judge or leader who held fast to their core beliefs, but was able to change their opinion based on the facts in front of them.

    I believe that should be true for much of life, but especially in trading. If I am always bearish I will lose money, if I am always bullish I will lose money, what is it the market is trying to tell us.

    It is speaking the same language giving us the same facts, we just choose to interpret what we hear differently and it sharing those different ideas that help to give our own views different colors.

    Mutt

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  41. Ican (2:51) - When someone asks me what language I think in, I give them a blank and reply "What is this "thinking" you speak of" :)

    Actually English is my only language although I do understand Spanish quite well, just can't speak it very well.

    But there is a lot more to learning a language then just the words, I am sure there are certain things you can say to people who understand the Canadian culture, that make perfectly good sense to them.

    But if you said the same thing to someone who understands nothing about Canada, they would be wondering what you meant.

    Mutt

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  42. Mutt,

    You are quite the philosopher today, what happened to the old Mutt and where are you hiding him?

    Seriously, thanks for all of your insights. The old waffler thing is a very good example of having a long life and being able to change as the circumstances change. Especially in the world we live in today where change is rapid and most of the time too fast for me to catch up and make sense of.

    In the markets things change so fast that it is impossible to keep up, but keeping on open mind is crucial to being able to assimilate all of the contradictory information out there.

    I have that challenge everyday, nothing is black or white, it is all shades of grey. Trading is black or white, but protecting your capital calls for all shades of grey.

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  43. I should have said "trading decisions are black or white", to clarify.

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  44. ICan - thank you! I'm technically supposed to be learning Spanish right now but haven't had the time at work to have my buddies start with me.

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  45. Manny and Denise - for you :-)

    http://www.bitlogic.com/images/yes.jpg

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  46. Como Esta FrijolesMay 4, 2011 at 6:07 PM

    Thor - That is "How you Bean" in Spanish

    Mutt

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  47. Manny - did you want to run your Monday post tomorrow? Can't remember what we decided.

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  48. Sure, we could do that. Do you mind?

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  49. Thor,

    I have mine ready for Friday as I will be gone tomorrow and possibly Friday as well.

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  50. I just scheduled mine to run tomorrow.

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  51. woohoo! You guys ROCK!

    Hey Rock!

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  52. Good one from Simon Johnson:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-johnson/nominate-elizabeth-warren_b_857476.html

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  53. Interesting little factoid - we are within 5 years of being able to identify life on another planet. What is that going to mean to humanity? Or the religions?

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  54. Manny - Excellent article!

    THIS is why I think that the Republicans may very well lose the house next year. I also think this is the beginning of the end for the Tea Baggers, their people are now running the show in the government, and they are threatening to de-rail the US by holding the debt limit hostage, for stupid things, like de-funding Planned Parenthood. etc. They are a political movement rules by rigid, unyielding ideology. I think Joe Six Pack finally understands that we're not going to get anywhere by putting fringe groups unwilling to compromise in office.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/04/house-gop-hr3/

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  55. "Then God said 'Let us make man - Someone Like ourselves'"

    Thor - As a person who believes in a Higher Being (Whatever and/or Whoever that may be) Finding life on other planets will only confirm the exsistance of a "God"

    The Bible is a book interpreted into many different languages by man and as we discussed earlier today we each have our own interpretation of how things fit into our lives and each culture sees things from their point of view...Which is a point of view that will change over 100s and 1000s of years.

    200 years ago (Hell 50 years ago) saying "your cool" would have meant something completely different and who knows what it will mean 50 to 200 years from now.

    What the Bible means by "Let 'US' make man" obviously meant something different 5000-7000 years ago, but it is still plural.

    In my opinion the problem is man kind wants to control religion so they gaurd it tightly, not listing to what is actually being said.

    If science can confirm life on other planets, it will not shake my faith, but I can not speak for the church's man has built.

    Mangy Mutt

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  56. Mutt - I agree, I think world religions will embrace it. They're a lot smarter than they ever have been, and they'll not want to be on the wrong side of history again. A Creator created ALL life, all over the universe. Certain parts of the religious texts might be unique to our world, but the idea of a universal creator will endure. Especially if our advancements in science eventually show us that there is order within the universe that looks deliberate.

    I think it's coming soon though, you know they're within about 5 years of being able to analyze the atmosphere of planets elsewhere in the galaxy. The technology is there, they just have to get the satellites up.

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