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Monday, March 21, 2011

Manny Mondays - Are The Markets Mispricing Risk....Again?

Morning all! Late Friday afternoon I threw out the question of whether or not the markets were being a bit too "complacent" in light of the Japan situation and an increasingly unstable geopolitical situation in North Africa and the Middle East. I've been of the mindset that this environment is eerily similar to the complacency (or resilience, whatever one wishes to label it) that we saw in the markets in late '07/'08 (remember, "subprime is contained?") when most of the dips and corrections were continually bought all the way until September '08 when it all came crashing down, launching us on a ride of epic proportions for the next fix months until the lows in early March '09. Since then it's been up, up and away for the markets with any/all shallow dips being forcefully bought.

Well, lo and behold, I noticed the following NY Times article by Jeff Sommer that ran on Saturday night which addresses this issue, among other related ones, and asks whether or not the markets can truly "grasp" (or have its prices accurately reflect) the fallout from the current crisis (I would say CRISES, plural, but never mind):

A Crisis That Markets Can’t Grasp

A couple of key excerpts:

Like everyone else, corporate executives, economists and financial analysts in Tokyo, New York, London and beyond struggled last week to wrap their heads around the scale of this disaster. But, as they so often do, the analysts quickly fell to work assessing the implications for companies, markets and economies. At times, it was almost surreal: On Tuesday, Laszlo Birinyi, a prominent stock market analyst based in Westport, Conn., e-mailed around a succinct report titled “Nuclear Meltdowns at a Glance.”

This is what happens on Wall Street. If you’re not immersed in the culture, it might be hard to understand the cool calculus that is applied to world events, however dire those events might be. After the quake hit on March 11, the CNBC anchor Larry Kudlow told viewers, “The human toll here looks to be much worse than the economic toll, and we can be grateful for that.” He later apologized.


Later in the article, Sommer also invokes the name of Nassim Taleb of "Black Swan" fame:

Nassim Taleb, the author and market theorist who popularized the phrase “black swan” in his 2007 best seller, argues that we have psychological biases that blind us to the enormous role played by rare events — like a 9.0-magnitude earthquake. And yet we rely on history for guidance.

According to the article, despite these seemingly circling black swans (or least gray ones), the S&P only went down 1.9% for last week, and market strategists such as Birinyi and Lakshman Achuthan remain bullish on the prospects of the U.S:

On Wednesday, Mr. Birinyi’s research firm sent out another report, this one titled “S.& P. 500 Enters Modest Correction.” His firm predicted a slight decline in the American stock market.

“If the averages hold,” the report said, “the S.& P. 500 will bottom at 1,232 on 3/31/11.”

Lakshman Achuthan, the managing director of the Economic Cycle Research Institute, a private forecasting group with an excellent track record, says that Japan’s economy, which he believes is already in recession, won’t appreciably affect the direction of the economy in the United States. The disaster, however, “ensures that Japan is in a recession,” he said.

As Sommer points out, the markets are essentially "highly complex counting machines" with day to day movements mostly being the "white noise of global capitalism". So how do we know the markets are now accurately pricing in/reflecting the risk of everything abroad and the headwinds here at at home going forward (e.g. ahem, a continually, slowly deteriorating housing market, stagnant job market & small business environment, etc.), especially since everything in our global economy and markets are now so tightly linked, and in light of an historic rally from the March '09 lows? Most importantly, how can we not question things a little now after we saw how badly mispriced risk, and the markets, were at key times during the height of the dot.com and recent credit/housing bubbles? Be sure to go read the whole article and let me know your thoughts.

On another note, Manny Mondays will be out of commission next Monday, so there will be no post from yours truly. Anyone want to take that day and post something in my absence? I'll be back the following Monday, April 4th!

51 comments:

  1. As always, great article and analysis, Manny. Once again I think you have hit the nail on the head, and the markets are up over 1% overnight.

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  2. I have not seen a good analysis yet of how much GDP Japan will lose, vs. the US and other economies picking up during the time of their reconstruction.

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  3. A face-ripper in progress. Glad I'm not short. Am tempted to start dumping my remaining longs soon. My THE TOP call could be in peril though, me-thinks.

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  4. We had more than a few of these in early to mid-'08 right up until around September, if I recall correctly. For me, buying equities big now is way too risky, but I'm not a day trader like others here, so I defer to you guys on that front.

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  5. A lot of greed in these markets and very little, if any, fear. The brevity of our (or "the markets") memories is pretty damn amazing. The Bernank Put in full effect?

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  6. Althouh there IS fear out there, but it's fear of missing the next leg up.

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  7. Thanks Manny. Good analysis, plus good catch this NYT article;)

    re Kudlow quote:“The human toll here looks to be much worse than the economic toll, and we can be grateful for that.”. What a sick comment.
    The guy must be a real dumbass to embarrass himself publicly with such statements.

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  8. @Wolfie: I've come to expect such idiotic statements from Sir Krudblow.

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  9. Then there's this....isn't Yemen haven to many terrorist groups?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/21/yemen-army-commanders-defect_n_838272.html

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  10. This is downright depressing. The market must love it though. It ensures that the predatory nature of our economy and markets roll onward....with a big assist from the actual victims. Nice work Tea Party!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/opinion/21krugman.html

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  11. re Birinyi’s research firm:“If the averages hold,” the report said, “the S.& P. 500 will bottom at 1,232 on 3/31/11.”

    As mentioned before, agree with the call for the 1230 target. Timing is the hard part. As a rough estimate, I'd think we want to reach the target no later than mid April.

    I'm still short till 1230. I'll reevaluate the situation once/if we get there.

    On the other side, I'm out if we break above 1294.

    I've raised my "last chance for this round of correction" from 1303 to 1312. There we have a fair resistance, strenghtened by the downtrend line started at the 1345 top.

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  12. Ah... didn't check the open. 1297 now. The market is always right. Back to the sidelines then..

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  13. Manny - great post! Not sure we really know yet whether or not we can compare Japan and the Middle East to subprime. Remember the Gulf oil spill?lot of people thought that would have far more affect than it endedup having.

    I think it's too soon to tell how this is going affect the overall world economy long term.

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  14. First Mannwich - Thanks for the great post and insight.

    Last week, I picked up a little position in F, it has not done as much as I was hoping, but it has made enuff that I did not need to get a free coffee again today.

    I almost sold it going into the weekend, but because Ben is a student of the GD, he will do ANYTHING to keep the markets up, up and way.

    Stops are set (And yes Wolfstreet, I am getting ready to set my first trailing stop) this way I am gauranteed to make at least a little profit (Unless it gets blown out over night)

    Mutt

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  15. I thought we would have a relief rally, but this is ridiculous.

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  16. This day is another great example of the market moving overnight so that if you were not in on or in the futures last night you would have missed the bulk of the rally.

    But who wanted to hold over the weekend while the rods were about to melt down?

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  17. @Thor: Not comparing it directly, but just using it to make an example of just how the markets underestimated that risk then as well. And I would point out that there are MANY other risks that are lurking here in the U.S. besides just the stuff that's happening geopolitically in the ME and in Japan.

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  18. More reason to despise our own MSM

    NUCLEAR CRISIS
    Grudging gains in Fukushima
    As smoke from one of the stricken nuclear reactors dissipates, Japanese officials note no elevated radiation levels. Situation remains dire.


    Dire? Really? Was that really the best choice of words?

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  19. Manny - yup yup, which is why I think the market will ignore all of this as well, because it's managed to shrug off all the other bad news, and as you just said, there's a lot of bad news needing to be shrugged off. Whatever it is holding up this market the last two years, whatever is pushing the buy buy buy mantra, is, I think, a very very strong force. I wonder if there's much of anything that can truly dent this market.

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  20. Apparently it's bullet proof right now, but me-thinks when it goes again, the downdraft will be even more vicious than the popping of the prior two bubbles.

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  21. Manny - Well our end result is the same, it's timing where we differ. I'm taking the position that this bubble will inflate longer than many think possible. In the end though, each time we have these little pull backs with no delivery, I think the chances of the final crash being even bigger goes higher and higher.

    Guess what I'm saying is that my position isn't that I think we're out of the woods with the world economy, just that we're digging an even bigger hole than we thought, and each quarter without meaningful pull backs digger a bigger and bigger hole.

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  22. digs, not digger.

    That's not even a word!

    Coffee, I need coffee :-/

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  23. Intereting read . . .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/opinion/20friedman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

    It is hard to read the news from Japan to the Persian Gulf and then reflect on American politics and not conclude, as scientists would say, that we’re running an uncontrolled experiment on the only country and planet we have. And what is that experiment? We’re basically taunting — there is no other word for it — the two most merciless forces on earth: the market and Mother Nature.

    I'm don't normally read much from Friedman, he so badly misjudged the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as to be irrelevant as a prognosticator. Still, this article raises some good points.

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  24. Old Warren out pumping the markets again:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/21/warren-buffett-japan-pres_n_838281.html

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  25. Market not liking C's 1 for 10 reverse split announcement, it seems. Down over 2%. F in the red now too.

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  26. And TLT now faring that badly for such a rally in equities.

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  27. Speaking of one of the indicators here at home the markets seem to be discounting in its la-la land march...

    http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/03/february-existing-home-sales-488.html

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  28. El-Erian weighs in:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/el-erian-whether-world-near-tipping-point

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  29. @Jeff,

    You still hold C? I do. Why does the market not like reverse split? The argument is some instituitions are only allowed to buy above $5.

    ICan

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  30. Manny - I love the intro to the piece, which, incidentally, is why I seldom read ZH anymore.

    "It's another day, which means the probability of a Mohamed El-Erian op-ed is 99%. However, while in the past we may have ridiculed these now almost daily missives which lead many an LP to wonder just which media double of the real El-Erian is managing Pimco's $1.4 trillion in AUM, this one is actually worth reading

    So ridicule him when he doesn't agree with ZH, but don't, when what he says jives with ZH's particular flavor of End Times hyperventilating is what I read the headline as :-P

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  31. One of the things that I'm watching closely is oil. I think that's the one thing that could really derail us right now. The rest seems too unknowable so soon, will the tsunami and earthquake in Japan be a short term hit to their economy followed by a huge increase in GDP as they rebuild? Or will this be the final nail in their coffin? Will the problems in the Middle East be a short term drag on the world economy because of the chaos? Or will it be a long term positive development because much of the state sponsored corruption holding back the economies in the middle east is now being rooted out?

    Oil prices though, especially as they translate into higher food prices, I think, could really run the economic recovery into a wall.

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  32. Greg and ICan - take a look at the thread BR just put up on the Canadian housing market :-)

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  33. @Jeff,

    Re, Citi. I am thinking buying the rumor, sell the news perhaps. There have been rumors re bank dividends. I posted that here several weeks ago. That's the only thing I can think of.

    ICan

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  34. @Thor,

    We discussed this on Friday. As long as there is demand for commodities(as long CBs print fiat) and no meaningful increase in interest rates, Cdn r/e market will stay in bubble territory. BOC will oblige to speculators's needs, people on fixed income be damned.

    Alberta(and the western provinces) love $100 oil. High food prices - prairie provinces love it. They hope the CBs keep the printing machines well oiled.

    ICan

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  35. @Thor, I was just over there on BR's piece and see that you commented as well. I left one over there myself.

    @ICan..I think the market hates reverse splits because their track record isn't very good. They seldom seem to work.

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  36. Is anyone following events in Yemen and Syria? I've can't find the time to follow all of these events! So annoying.

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  37. @Thor,3:29PM:only relevant info I've catched today is several officers having defected in Yemen:

    Military officers including Ali Muhsin al-Ahmar, commander of the first armored division, and Mohammed Ali Muhssein, commander of the eastern region, abandoned the regime yesterday.

    I'm focused on Libya these days.

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  38. @Mutt,11:49AM:glad for you that you've kept your F over the weekend. Hope you end up squeezing a fair profit out of that one.

    Also, "Stops are set (And yes Wolfstreet, I am getting ready to set my first trailing stop)": alright buddy:D. I've not been using them long either, but they've been invaluable to me already.

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  39. On those fine words, I hope everyone a great evening.

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  40. Busy day today. Scrambling a bit with short week. Back later.

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  41. From the Guardian blog:

    Yemeni general joins opposition.

    Defence Minister vows to stand by President after 12 military commanders defect from regime.

    U.S. cable links Yemeni general to smuggling.

    Rumors -one of Gaddafi's sons killed.


    ICan

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  42. Manny,

    Me, too. Lots of pre-trip nonsense to deal with.

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  43. Me three. Although it's just a normal busy Monday at work for me :-/

    Rock is out of town as well, not sure if he announced that to the group of just Denise and I.

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  44. Ican - !!! These things are moving faster than I can keep track of them! I'm especially interested in Syria and whether or not this is going to spread there. I don't doubt that Syria would think twice about firing on it's own people but that might not matter anymore if folks in the region now think we'll come to their aid with a no fly zone.

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  45. Might need THREE brains to handle it all, Thor. Pretty unreal. Mr. market has no problem with it though. Like I said, we could be on the verge of utter global mayhem and there will always be someone buying the dip.

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  46. And Dennis Kucinich believes that attacking Libya without Congressional approval is an impeachable offense. I have to say, that he makes a good point, but apparently after W, executive authority gives the prez carte blanche to just about do anything these days without Congressional approval.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/21/dennis-kucinich-obama-impeachment_n_838502.html

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  47. From WSJ:

    "Arab Regimes Under Siege".

    "For the U.S. the prospects of an emerging civil war in Yemen and possibility of losing a ..key ally in the war on terror has emerged as a significant national security concern".

    Yemen's tribal areas are like Pakistan - Al Qaeda sympathisers and have own affiliated groups.

    ICan

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  48. @I Can: Exactly what I was pointing out the other day about Yemen. That country, to me, is the one to worry about the most at the moment.

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  49. Manny - yes, and that person will usually be Cramer :-P.

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  50. @Jeff,

    Yemen -Saudi Arabia next door. Can you imagine what willhappen to price of oil if there ever was any hint of trouble there. Note, I am not suggesting there is any. This could just fade like Japan radiation fears.

    From the Foreign policy mag:

    "Back to Saudi's fault line". http://oilandglory.foreignpolicy.com

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