I would like to refer to an article that was pointed out by TBP. I think this article points toward a pretty bleak future, as I understand it. See
http://www.chron.com/business/article/Corporate-profits-aren-t-what-they-seem-3079696.php
They allude to some numbers from another company, without quoting directly the numbers or the method used to derive them, so like anything else, this may be inaccurate when taken out of context. So this may be another example of yellow journalism, but it agrees with what I’ve been looking at and fearing.
Earnings are coming down. It’s hard to explain why job numbers are going up, but earnings are coming down. To paraphrase the article, if AAPL and AIG were removed, the S&P earnings would be about 1.1% higher for the 4th quarter of last year (2011). A rate that is substantially below the first 3 quarters.
I don’t look at earnings, because the books can be easily cooked, making earnings look better (or worse) than they are. Like DMND didn’t pay for their nuts on time. But it is scary to think that without the two big guns, the total increase in the S&P is 1.1% in the quarter. Cooked books or not.
This quarter, around 66% of the reporting companies met or exceeded analysts’ expectations for earnings. But as the article points out, and as we pointed out last December, those estimates were being reduced. Even Bloomie had a vignette on that in January.. But until this article came out, I had no idea it was that drastic.
My indicator is to look at operating cash flow and levered cash flow for a determination of the health of the company. A company like GOOG has a huge 25% of revenue reported as levered free cash flow. (Levered free cash is kind of what’s left over, that you can invest back in your company or put in the bank). If I have time, I would like to see the ratios for the last several quarters, but I can’t find that information compiled and published anywhere, except in the balance sheets of the corporations on Edgar. That’s painful to extract..
The other thing I’d like to point out is that the article said “In cutting profit forecasts for 2012, Procter & Gamble and Pfizer both cited the stronger dollar.” I looked at the dollar curve, did a simple piecewise linear integration of 2010 and 2011, got it that the dollar went down by 12% in 2011, but PFE’s earnings only went up 4% (from the TDAmeritrade “earnings” graph). Doesn’t make sense to me. (But of course, earnings are simply cooked books, but you’d think they’d have to live with their untruths, wouldn’t you?) In any case, it looks like the companies want to say that lowered earnings “ain’t our fault”.
We know fundamentals don’t matter in our market today. But if one day they do, the article’s author’s conclusion might be right.
Yay new thread! . . . I don' have anything else to say :-/
ReplyDeleteOh wait yes I do! Mutt, I'm going on a road trip next week! I'll be east of you a few states, see if you can rustle up a big snowstorm for me!
ReplyDeleteLooks like a lower open this AM and Europe is selling off right now. Bloomie said the greek deal fell apart last night, but I can't see anything in my newsreader, but I only went back 7 hours.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I took the trading opportunity to buy heavy. I'll back off in a little while, but profits were amazing.
I think Greece will be a braxton hick.
@Thor
ReplyDeleteYour namesake has really good relative strength on this pullback, running about 10% better than the S&P
Little pullback this morning. I see the O man is going to compromise with the Catholics on the contraceptives issue. Must be an election year. "Compromise we can believe in" is the new slogan.
ReplyDelete@Mannwich:
ReplyDeleteI haven't kept up with the contraceptive argument, but one of the theories on why the violent crime is down is because of Roe vs. Wade.
Maybe another reason is gangsters can't afford guns and bullets anymore, too many straight people buying, and they would rather buy butter for their families anyway.....
I dunno.
Yep, Rock, that's a "Freakonomics" theory. Might be something to it, but for me, the Catholic Church has no moral standing anymore to pontificate on anything. Sorry. Like any other large, powerful institution, they are not to be trusted.
ReplyDeleteGreece is going to fall . . .
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/02/the-grexit-is-coming-sooner-or-later.html
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ReplyDeleteRock - sure! To clarify though, i think Greece will get their money, but the government will fall, and the next one will reject the prior governments agreements.
ReplyDeleteSee everybody! All better!
ReplyDeleteGreece passes austerity bill
Protests rage outside Greek parliament building
And this is why I think things in the EU may be coming to a head soon.
ReplyDeleteWith Greece likely to stay in the headlines, and a strong body of French public opinion supporting solidarity with the Greeks against the alleged “austerity dictatorship” from Berlin, Frankfurt and Brussels, there’ll be plenty of room for anti-German feelings to flare up in the French election campaign. The Germans, in confident mood, are brushing all this aside for the moment. Let’s see how long it lasts.
AAPL a 500 spot!
ReplyDeleteI am with Thor's Feb 11 @ 11:32
ReplyDeletealso on violent crimes being down, could it be that nobody has anything to fight over?
Mangy Mutt
4LA's:
ReplyDeleteAAPL
LTRO
TITT
Rock's TITT today, and maybe tomorrow. Had an event here last night.
Of course you know, TITT, right?
Too
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Prepping for my road trip all day! Hopefully we be able to get into Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah! Will have my laptop with me and probably be online from out in the middle of nowhere. I can't imagine there's all that much going on in the dead of winter up there. . .
ReplyDeleteHave a good trip, Thor! Watch that winter driving. Sometimes us CA drivers don't have much winter driving experience.
ReplyDeleteSo now, I think we'll see the dollar strengthen until EuroTarp is released, 300BE up to 800BE, I hear. Then I think we'll see the dollar strengthen even more, until Ben decides to do some of our own QE.
When you look at the DXY or UUP, you can see it's showing signs of flattening, or turning up.
So I'm preparing for a pullback until the EuroTarp and our next QE get done.
"Will see". The battle of who can devalue fastest continues.....
Let's see where money is flowing. Today's Herds report:
ReplyDeleteBest
TAN USO 3%
ITB SMN $HGX.X XOP 2%
$DJULTC XLK ITA $DJTNCG $OIX.X IGV XRT 1%
Worst:
TAN USO DIG $SOX.X $DJTUTS $DJTCHE IYH IBB $DJT CUZ $DJTINN IRET IHI ICF XES IHE SKF -1%
KCE TIF $DJTTR DBA XBI -2%
$DJTBAS SLX -3%
GDX -4%
KOL -5%
XME -6%
The following blew up in the math because they had an adjustment in price, so I can't tell their relative strength:
RTH OIH BBH
Conclusions? More below than above? Tan is still doing well but I got stopped out of my FSLR. Looks like a day to play a re-entry.
Looking at the SPY, it seems money is flowing out right now. I guess just lower confidence, especially after the retail numbers came in today.
Thor - There is no actual Udapimp Idaho, but it sounds kinda funny, back a million or so years ago I dated a girl from Moscow Idaho.
ReplyDeleteI think if you get clear skies you will like Montana, I hope you have something like books on tapes to keep you occupied as there is a lot of driving.
I hope you guys have a great trip and have lots of fun
Mangy Mutt
@Thor:
ReplyDeleteThis is the kind of fun you can have out there. Maybe not in winter, tho....
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=OQnU1t7UzgM
The S%P is tracing out an inverse head-and-shoulders pattern. This is typically a bottoming event.
ReplyDeleteThe problems: First, the volume doesn't show the typical pattern, that is high volume at the head. It's missing. Second, the dollar is likely to direct the trade. The dollar UUP has broken out of it's downtrend. It is trending flat-to-up, depending on how you set your sights.
I know the dollar can go up, and the market go up at the same time, but it's unusual. Therefore, I am getting out overnight, as I can't rely on any of the typical indicators for market direction.
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteyou 'got' your "Shorts" set-up for the BoSox this year?
sadly, Sox-fan will need them..
alternatively, you have Wagers on the Sox finishing 4th in the AL East?
M E Hoffer.
Hey Hoffer - nice of you to weigh in! I dunno about the Sox this year. I could see them being a bit of a mess, for sure, especially after last year's collapse, but they still have a quite a bit of talent, so we'll see. I could just as easily see them surprising a bit as well. Hope you are doing well.
ReplyDeleteFunny side story to last year's collapse - my bro and I were back in Boston towards late August right before they fell apart to see the Sox play the Yanks and Rangers at Fenway. Guess who joins us on the elevator the very first morning in the hotel where we were staying? None other than Terry Francona himself, manager of the Sox. He was living there at the time and unbeknownst to us had separated from his wife, which is why he was there. That should have been a clear sign that a major top was in the for the team. LOL.
Jeff,
ReplyDeletethat's a crazy story about Francona..
so much of that type of thing effects what goes on 'on the Field'..
it's amazing, as well, that Today's 'Sportswriters' are ~always heard squawking: "It's Not like it was in Ruth's Day.." (We report Everything..) -- Suure..
Like those dudes are going risk their 'Press Credentials' (access to Park, Paycheck, Players, etc.) to, potentially, upset the 'Advertising Machine' that is MLB (Major League Sports, in toto..)
though, that 'September Swoon' was, almost, as Epic as the '004 Play-off Comeback from being down 0-3 to the Stripers (NYY)..
'Bobby V', though, is definitely going to be something 'new'..not sure if it will something +
Ye Olde saying: "Time will Tell".
Good to see that you're 'On the Hoof'..
Things are Fine, at this end~
M E Hoffer.
Today's Herds report:
ReplyDeleteBest:
SMN 5%
USO XOP $DJULTC 2%
XLK ITB TIF XRT IGV $DJTNCG XLP SKF ITA 1%
Worst:
XLU IDU $DJTATO IHE $DRG.X IBB KIE DIG $DJTENG $DJT $DJTCNS XLF SMH XES $DJTTR $BKX -1%
$DJTCHE $DJTUTS DBA KBE KCE GLD IAU XBI KRE GEX IRET ICF $DJTINN SLV -2%
CUZ TAN -3%
$DJTBAS GDX SLX -4%
KOL -5%
XME -7%
I think China played its "we'll help Eurozone" card too early. Too bad. In July is probably when we'd need that played.
RAX had a little pullback today. I entered with my minimum--if it goes up, I'll be adding.
ReplyDeleteI like RAX.
And a divergence worth watching: Bucky's up, as is the market. Hmmm.
ReplyDeleteGLD is also up. Double Hmmmmm....
Rock - Thanks for the up dates, I am keeping my eye on SLV not GLD, I think there is more room to work with SLV.
ReplyDeleteM.E.Hoffer great to see you over here, I catch you over at Amanras when I get a chance to get over there, I don't tend to post much though....just lurk and follow some of the links you and others put up.
Thor if you are traveling, try and be safe, fortunately you have some pretty nice weather.
Mangy Mutt
I hope somebody besides me gave RAX a ride this AM.
ReplyDeleteAnybody notice that the VXX is beginning to flat out? Looks like a laggard to UUP, that's flatted out a couple days ago.
@Mutt:
ReplyDeleteSLV is 2% under the performance of the S&P. In other words, right now, the SPY is off -.11%, and SLV is off -.28%. Almost 2% today. See the herds report above, you'll see SLV is below the SPY. That's why I put up the herds list, so every body can see where their stock sector rides, relative to the SPY.
Why not just trade the SPY?
I was trading FSLR when TAN was above the SPY by 2-5%. That's because I knew any dip in FSLR would be followed by an even higher rise, as the SPY rose. By as much as 5%. So in that case, I buy the dip. FSLR made a lot of money for me last week.
But if I buy SLV, I would need a larger positive move in the SPY in order to catch up my trade in SLV to the performance of the SPY.
It's kind of leveraging your bet.
Ah, Bucky's up, Spy's down. All's right with the world again.
ReplyDeleteFED minutes not so good. Pretty bearish.
ReplyDeleteOnly to be expected: consumer sentiment and spending is down, cars are down, Europe's down.
"I've been down so god damn long it looks like up to me" will be the motto for the markets now, so that we can continue our rise into July timeframe.
I'm beginning to doubt my own pollyanna-ish sentiment on a 2000 pt rise in the DIA. Aw, what the heck, the Fed's behind me, the ECB's behind me, how can I possibly lose?
Again, I lose my opinion when the market's open so I don't lose my money.
We better nationalize AAPL. Did you see? As goes AAPL, so goes the market.
ReplyDeleteIf their profits fall off a cliff, like maybe who knows, they can't sell ipads in China.....what happens to our market?
Look out below!
We really need to protect AAPL. Or maybe as traders, we better become very familiar with all aspects of their business, establish monitors to watch it, hire people to reinforce it....OMG sounds like the FED?
@Rock: Setting things up for more QE and other cheap money shenanigans, no? It's all they got since Congress won't do anything.
ReplyDelete@MAnnwich:
ReplyDeleteYep. As soon as the QE Eurozone hits, Bucky will strengthen, so they'll have to do something.
Today's notes from FOMC basically said as much.
Boy are my kids going to hate me/us. I hope I can prepare enough nest egg for them.
Rock - With the way they are trying to devalue EVERY thing in order to peserve their wealth, you better see about having Big Bird show you how to build a Big Nestegg.
ReplyDeleteMutt
Apple's other dirty secret, the world's largest slaver abor, I mean, "intern", program:
ReplyDeletehttp://motherboard.vice.com/2012/2/15/foxconn-s-other-dirty-secret-the-world-s-largest-internship-program
Lest we forget.
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Having been in various parts of Asia, believe me, what AAPL provides is almost heaven. Foxconn provides "little pink houses", by comparison. And the suicides are because the kids have blown out of perspective their abilities to realize promises to their parents.
DeleteAnd all generalizations can be false. But this one's pretty true.
@greg & Rock: Still doesn't make it right. My feeling is that we're OK with slave labor as long as it's out of sight. We can rationalize it all we want. Still doesn't it make it moral or ethical. Just my opinion though. It also serves to put downward pressure on U.S. wages.
Delete@Mannwich: Your consideration of what's right or moral has foundation in your WASP background and upbringing, coupled with the education system that taught you the scarlet letter was evil.
DeleteI think as times have changed, we all pretty much feel now the scarlet letter is not evil.
You might consider that Asian background and upbringing is conceptually different from yours, and therefore what's right and good may have a different perspective.
Dow 15,000? I'd say it topped on the 9th. Russell 2000 is a textbook EW pattern as well. As it should be.
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ReplyDelete@Mutt:
I'm afraid we need a "colossal Bird", not a "Big Bird". Read the
New post (that)is available
MMutt ~!
ReplyDeleteJeff,
that 'Story' about AAPL keeps getting 'better and better', no?
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and, re: "I'd say it topped on the 9th."
I wouldn't be too surprised..
http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=ES
looks like the S&P is 'rounding over' at that ~1350-level..
M E Hoffer.
Is this our future in the U.S? Or present? Jobs at Starbucks don't count.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/business/global/for-london-youth-down-and-out-is-way-of-life.html?_r=1&hp